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[Walice]

One of the best things about mwo was it was balanced pvp. I cant say that now. Clan mechs are overpowered and mwo in now pay to win. By pay to win I mean if you want the best mech you have to buy it with real money(clan mechs). The clan mechs have more range, more damage and pods. They also have uber weapons only available on clan mechs like ultra ac 20, lbx 20 and er med lasers. All the clan mech weapons have more range and more damage and clan mechs can be customized with pods for even MORE firepower. This game needs to be balanced. All mechs should be able to use the same weapons for example the lbx 20 should be available to all mechs like athe lbx 10 is. Also all mechs should have a pod system. Not all of us have hundreds of dollars to spend on clan mechs.

[Hellcat420]

not only is your post completely wrong, but you liked your own post, that is just pathetic.

[Noth]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 06:30 PM, said:

it is a fact, i have clan mechs and they do more damage have more range and customization pods. THAT IS A FACT. go troll somewhere else.

Clan mechs are less customizable than IS mechs. Every Clan laser (outside of the ERmed does less dps and produce more heat). Clan ACs are burst fire which means their damage is spread around the mech making it less efficient than the IS ACs that put all their damage in one spot. Clan LRMs are ripple fire making them much easier prey from AMS and lowering the amount of damage a mech takes before it reaches cover.

Edited by Noth, 15 July 2014 - 06:35 PM.

[Spike Brave]

The Clan Mechs will be available for C-bills shortly. Also the Clan have several balancing factors you haven't accounted for. Clan weapons have much higher heat, all autocannon spread damage, lasers burn way longer. These factors mean it is difficult to twist to protect your mech. Clan Mechs cannot change engines so many clan mechs are slower than comparable IS mechs. Clan mechs cannot change structure or armor types. In addition the slots consumed by those upgrade cannot be move making it difficult to fit many weapons in some location. You take a penalty if you use different pods then the one assign to the variant your using. Clan lrms fire in a stream making them easy for ams to shoot down. Clan mechs cannot move fixed equipment. Those Adder's you see with flamers aren't using them because they want to. It because you can't take it off. The Uller/Kit Fox pack is $30 so you don't have to pay hundreds of dollars. And finally PTW means that I WILL win in a clan mech. I just left a match in which I piloted a Stormcrow, a 55 ton Clan mech. I had my face kicked in by a Wolverine also a 55 ton IS mech. It wasn't even close that guy has my toy and my lunch money.

[Walice]

explain to me how lbx10 is better than a lbx 20 or how a ac 20 is better than a ultra ac 20???? you can because they are not.

here is a example. my kit fox. I can set him up with a lrm 10 and 15 and a med pulse and ECM. And he is just as powerful on the field as my catapult. AND A FOX IS A LIGHT.

[RagingOyster]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 06:17 PM, said:

One of the best things about mwo was it was balanced pvp. I cant say that now. Clan mechs are overpowered and mwo in now pay to win. By pay to win I mean if you want the best mech you have to buy it with real money(clan mechs). The clan mechs have more range, more damage and pods. They also have uber weapons only available on clan mechs like ultra ac 20, lbx 20 and er med lasers. All the clan mech weapons have more range and more damage and clan mechs can be customized with pods for even MORE firepower. This game needs to be balanced. All mechs should be able to use the same weapons for example the lbx 20 should be available to all mechs like athe lbx 10 is. Also all mechs should have a pod system. Not all of us have hundreds of dollars to spend on clan mechs.

No, not at all.

Now, I'm not a number-crunching professional like some of the other users here but even I can look at the various Clan energy weapons and see that they do less DPS and generate more heat across the board. Additionally they fire for a much longer duration, meaning you have to keep your reticle exactly on-target for several seconds to get the full damage.
So energy weapons OP? Nope

Clan missiles fire as a barrage, rather than a single "cluster" of missiles. This means that not only does a target have more time to get to cover or turn to spread out the damage, but the missiles are also much much easier for AMS to shoot down. One AMS will reliably shoot down an entire CLRM10 slavo. Multiple AMS can easily negate even a dedicated Clan LRM boat.
Missile Weapons OP? Nope

Next up, ballistics. Clan autocannons fire in bursts, spreading their damage over several projectiles rather than the pinpoint single-shot damage of IS ACs. This means that IS ACs are far more effective than their Clan counterparts at long range. The big advantage Clan ACs do have is their huge volume of fire can make it extraordinarily difficult to see through the smoke and return fire. Still, far from broken.
So are Autocannons OP? Nope

Finally, OmniPods. Saying that every mech should have pods is ********. Only OmniMechs have OmniPods (surprise) and none of the IS mechs are OmniMechs. They don't get pods. Period. The point of having pods is to allow Clan pilots to tweak their mech's combat style, but while this makes them far more customizable in terms of loadout it comes with the hefty price of being locked-in to a specific engine, as well as Endo-steel and FF armor, all of which take up a large amount of space. Now it's true that many Clan weapons are smaller and/or lighter than their IS equivalent, but that's the lore. Sorry if that is unacceptable to you but it's how they were originally designed and they're not going to change now.


To top it all off, though, is the fact that your ENTIRE post is irrelevant because Clan mechs will all be available with Cbills in the next few weeks. Not only are they not OP, they aren't pay-to-win either. You fail on both levels.

Edited by RagingOyster, 15 July 2014 - 06:49 PM.

[Noth]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 06:44 PM, said:

explain to me how lbx10 is better than a lbx 20 or how a ac 20 is better than a ultra ac 20???? you can because they are not.

The lbx10 and lbx20 are two different weapons. Better comparison is the clbx10, and the ISlbx10, in which case the clan one is marginally better. As for ISAC20 versus the CUAC20. The ISAC20 puts 20 points of damage into one section of a mech, thus is very efficient and very deadly. The CUAC20 fires 5 shells that do 4 damage each. Thos shels fire slow enough taht you can easily spread that damage acros your mech, making teh UAC20 less deadly.

So again, you are ignoring a lot of the things that balance clan mechs.

Edited by Noth, 15 July 2014 - 06:49 PM.

[Walice]

Noth, on 15 July 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

The lbx10 and lbx20 are two different weapons. Better comparison is the clbx10, and the ISlbx10, in which case the clan one is marginally better. As for ISAC20 versus the CUAC20. The ISAC20 puts 20 points of damage into one section of a mech, thus is very efficient and very deadly. The CUAC20 fires 5 shells that do 4 damage each. Thos shels fire slow enough taht you can easily spread that damage acros your mech, making teh UAC20 less deadly.

So again, you are ignoring a lot of the things that balance clan mechs.

The lbx 20 is ONLY available to clam mechs. The highest lbx you can put on a standard mech is a lbx 10. So yes they are comparable if you want a lbx mech. lbx20 should be available to all mechs not just cash mechs.

[Tremendous Upside]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 06:17 PM, said:

One of the best things about mwo was it was balanced pvp. I cant say that now. Clan mechs are overpowered and mwo in now pay to win. By pay to win I mean if you want the best mech you have to buy it with real money(clan mechs). The clan mechs have more range, more damage and pods. They also have uber weapons only available on clan mechs like ultra ac 20, lbx 20 and er med lasers. All the clan mech weapons have more range and more damage and clan mechs can be customized with pods for even MORE firepower. This game needs to be balanced. All mechs should be able to use the same weapons for example the lbx 20 should be available to all mechs like athe lbx 10 is. Also all mechs should have a pod system. Not all of us have hundreds of dollars to spend on clan mechs.

If you were running a business and expected people to pay money for a product... would you want the majority of them spamming your forums about how underpowered or underbalanced those products are?

[Mcgral18]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

The lbx 20 is ONLY available to clam mechs. The highest lbx you can put on a standard mech is a lbx 10. So yes they are comparable if you want a lbx mech. lbx20 should be available to all mechs not just cash mechs.

LBx series ACs are also worthless. You forgot that point.

isAC20 is better than the Clan UAC20, since you place 20 points wherever you hit them. UAC20 fires 5 rounds at 4 damage each, with a slow travel time which might not even all hit a moving target.

[Noth]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

The lbx 20 is ONLY available to clam mechs. The highest lbx you can put on a standard mech is a lbx 10. So yes they are comparable if you want a lbx mech. lbx20 should be available to all mechs not just cash mechs.

They are not cash only mechs, they just aren't available for cbills yet. Besides, the lbx20 is not a good weapon, fun to use, sure, but it's not good. Even the standard clan AC is better than it.

Also I did show you how the clan UAC20 is flat out worse than the ISAC20.

[Red1769]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

The lbx 20 is ONLY available to clam mechs. The highest lbx you can put on a standard mech is a lbx 10. So yes they are comparable if you want a lbx mech. lbx20 should be available to all mechs not just cash mechs.

The Inner Sphere haven't developed their lbx20 yet. Key word there is yet. Besides, the lbx 10 has a tighter spread, so that alone makes it better for lethality purposes. And as stated, the placeholder that is the normal Clan AC is a better weapon, and those fire in bursts. I only use lbxs because I have trouble swatting at lights...and occasionally mediums.

Noth and Mcgral18 pretty much ninja'd me on everything else...

Edited by Red1769, 15 July 2014 - 06:59 PM.

[Bad Haircut]

Noth, on 15 July 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

They are not cash only mechs, they just aren't available for cbills yet. Besides, the lbx20 is not a good weapon, fun to use, sure, but it's not good. Even the standard clan AC is better than it.

Also I did show you how the clan UAC20 is flat out worse than the ISAC20.

As Noth said, they will be available for cbills.
http://mwomercs.com/...lease-schedule/

How is that pay2win?

[Impyrium]

*checks off list*

Yup, we have our 'Clan OP' post by someone who hasn't figured out the game's mechanics yet for the week. Next please!

[Walice]

Noth, on 15 July 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

They are not cash only mechs, they just aren't available for cbills yet. Besides, the lbx20 is not a good weapon, fun to use, sure, but it's not good. Even the standard clan AC is better than it.

Also I did show you how the clan UAC20 is flat out worse than the ISAC20.

The lbx 20 is a light killer. I have one shoted lights with full health with a lbx20 and lbx10 several times. It is hard to miss with a lbx. and the lbx makes lights useless vs a clan mech. Clan mechs are the only mech that can do this, ever a dual ac 20 you can doge the shots. but it is almost impossible to doge a dual lbx 20/10 .

[Walice]

Im done arguing with ppl who want to stay op and not have fair balanced pvp. Facts are facts and that's all there is to it. Clan mechs are op.

[Noth]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

The lbx 20 is a light killer. I have one shoted lights with full health with a lbx20 and lbx10 several times. It is hard to miss with a lbx. and the lbx makes lights useless vs a clan mech. Clan mechs are the only mech that can do this, ever a dual ac 20 you can doge the shots. but it is almost impossible to doge a dual lbx 20/10 .

Funny, If you one shot a light with an lbx20 and lbx10 you would have one shot it with similar weapons that are not spread because it means you hit it directly, otherwise you could not one shot it. I regularly see lights getting one shot by non lbx wepons. I also see lights avoiding lbx shots all the time. I even see mediums dodging them. The Lbx weapons are not good weapons at all.

Edited by Noth, 15 July 2014 - 07:07 PM.

[Spike Brave]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

The lbx 20 is a light killer. I have one shoted lights with full health with a lbx20 and lbx10 several times. It is hard to miss with a lbx. and the lbx makes lights useless vs a clan mech. Clan mechs are the only mech that can do this, ever a dual ac 20 you can doge the shots. but it is almost impossible to doge a dual lbx 20/10 .

I do this all the time in my triple 10 lbx Illya. So yeah you can do it with IS mechs.

[Noth]

Walice, on 15 July 2014 - 07:05 PM, said:

Im done arguing with ppl who want to stay op and not have fair balanced pvp. Facts are facts and that's all there is to it. Clan mechs are op.

You haven't actually presented any facts nor defended your point despite valid balancing points being brought up.

[Mcgral18]

You can never argue with the underhive.

They are always right, and never think of questioning their authority.
Or their misunderstanding of base game mechanics.

Edited by Mcgral18, 15 July 2014 - 07:11 PM.