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[Zerberoff]

Petard, on 18 July 2014 - 04:02 AM, said:

ROFLMFAO....Thanks for the laughs guys...

All compliments go to "Kilo 40" who showed it first a couple sides ago!
and of course to the one who made this fine piece!

Edited by Zerberoff, 18 July 2014 - 04:53 AM.

[Wolfways]

D34K, on 18 July 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

I maintain that the day the comp teams' players decide to start using lurms in the pub queue, this forum crashes under the weight of all the spacepoor scrub tears.

Will never happen because 160m/s, spread damage.

[Blood Rose]

Umm OP... Your butthurt may have been amusing around 4 months ago. As it is, now its just boring and repetitive.
Before you whine, I have died from LRMs before. Usually when I had wandered out into a bad position in the open, had done a BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, had already been meta'd half to death or had my path back into cover blocked by a teammate.

Now, if this thread had been posted last summer during the true lurmpocalypse you would have more sympathy. As it is, this is just a rage thread about your inability to dodge a weapon that gives you a massive visual and audio cue and comes in at a pathetic speed to deal a little damage spread across your Mech.

Now, try mounting an ECM and/or an AMS. Then try using cover and paying attention to those cues.
Then realise how unskilled you truly are and wander away crying. Just please keep your butthurt away from the forums thanks.

BTW, I dont mount any AMS on my Jenner and I have no problems with LRM's.

And can someone please link some vids from the Lurmpocalypse days for the OP please?

[A banana in the tailpipe]

D34K, on 18 July 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

Right now lurms are disproportionately rewarding.

Bingo! When the clan packs hit I had about 2,400 GXP and 1.5mill in the bank. The first thing I had to do ASAP was save up for a Deprivation Module (15k gxp + 6mill bills). I tried running with buds but the drops were too slow due to people tooling around in the mech lab. I tried solo pugging with fun builds but damage and wins were inconsistent. Finally I bit the bullet and made a stereotypical TBR-S LURM boat (LRM60, 4 ERc-SLs, TAG). It was effortless after that and took less than a week. Now I can go back to my fun builds.

The reward vs risk for indirect fire is extremely disproportionate ATM IMO.

Wolfways, on 18 July 2014 - 04:50 AM, said:

So you just refuse to believe that some players have no issues with LRM's...because that would mean you aren't as good as you think you are maybe? Okay point made.

Maybe PGI should just remove LRM's from the so-called "underhive". I wouldn't care as I'm obviously not in it.

I love how you just jump to conclusions all over the place without any data, as if you're having a conversation with yourself. (because you are)

[Wolfways]

lockwoodx, on 18 July 2014 - 04:57 AM, said:

I love how you just jump to conclusions all over the place without any data, as if you're having a conversation with yourself. (because you are)

You don't leave me any options when you just refuse to accept that anything i say is true. And if i was having a conversation with myself why are you replying?
You just can't accept that you aren't a good player.

[A banana in the tailpipe]

Wolfways, on 18 July 2014 - 05:01 AM, said:

You don't leave me any options when you just refuse to accept that anything i say is true. And if i was having a conversation with myself why are you replying?
You just can't accept that you aren't a good player.

You're crying for attention while I'm trying to reply to other posters, then when I virtually ignore you, you degenerate into petty insults about my skill? You're correct about not being a part of the underhive, you're far beneath it and need a reality check son.

Good day

[Blood Rose]

Wow lockwoodx, you really are an *******. Just because your the only person having these issues, it dosnt make LRM's OP. And when people try to help you, you ignore them or insult them.
You really are an ass.

Edited by Blood Rose, 18 July 2014 - 05:07 AM.

[Charons Little Helper]

Invictus51, on 17 July 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

I know a lot of you players love your LRMs. I understand that. They take the least amount of skill and can rack up great damage totals and assists which = cbills. I don't mean that as an insult either.

Whenever someone says that - it means that they're really insulting you, they just don't want to be accused of being mean.

Of note - you do actually get more C-bills with LRMs for actually accomplishing the same thing since LRMs splatter damage all over the mech, you rack up more damage than a pinpoint damage build. (true of SRMs too - and I don't think anyone thinks that SRMs are OP)

That doesn't mean they're more effective than pinpoint - just that you're doing a lot of extra damage.

[Kitane]

LRM60 on a 90km/h mech with JJs is honestly a horrible easy mode. A combination of assault level LRM boating with a medium mech lurmishing is definitely over the top.

That's not a problem with LRMs specifically, but rather with clan tech and especially our 75t Mary Sue.

[Thorn Hallis]

Invictus51, on 18 July 2014 - 03:34 AM, said:

So then if they can't do what I said they did how did I get hit?

That is indeed rather simple to answer. You were 1 second in the open - enough time to press R. We can assume that the attacker had the advanced target decay module installed, so he gets enough time to get a lock on and press fire. Now he loses you as the target, so the missles turn dumbfire and just head to the place where you have been when the lock was lost. Have you ever noticed the behavior of missles when they lose their lock? They are not crashing into the ground instantly when they reach the position of the last lock, instead they hover over the ground for some more meters. As you were heading straight backwards, instead of heading left or right, the hovering missles went right into your 'Mech.

Thats how you got hit.

[Wolfways]

lockwoodx, on 18 July 2014 - 05:03 AM, said:

You're crying for attention while I'm trying to reply to other posters, then when I virtually ignore you, you degenerate into petty insults about my skill? You're correct about not being a part of the underhive, you're far beneath it and need a reality check son.

Good day

lol crying for attention
Btw, i think everyone who knows your forum posts also knows that when you don't have a valid argument you either ignore people with a different view than yours or you resort to petty insults (see above).

Oh and i wasn't insulting your skill, merely stating that imo it is lower than mine...which is obvious by the facts that i have stated in numerous threads, that you choose to ignore. There are different levels of skill in every game and i accept that, unlike some players.
If someone like JagerXII told me my skill was lower than his i wouldn't be insulted because it's (probably ) true and i accept that.

[Vandul]

Invictus51, on 17 July 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

I know a lot of you players love your LRMs. I understand that. They take the least amount of skill

Aaaaaaaaand thats where most of us quit reading.

[El Bandito]

Blood Rose, on 18 July 2014 - 05:06 AM, said:

Wow lockwoodx, you really are an *******. Just because your the only person having these issues, it dosnt make LRM's OP. And when people try to help you, you ignore them or insult them.
You really are an ass.

There is a reason why lockwoodx is in my ignore list for a year.

Edited by El Bandito, 18 July 2014 - 06:18 AM.

[Wolfways]

Vandul, on 18 July 2014 - 05:25 AM, said:

[/i]

Aaaaaaaaand thats where most of us quit reading.

Actually i can understand why many people think that LRM's take little skill to use. It's because they completely discount that it's the tactical skill of the targets (or rather lack of skill) that lets them get kills easily.
When/if you learn to use terrain as cover LRM's will rarely bother you. That's not an opinion it's a fact that i prove every time i play.

[Ngamok]

MetalGandalph, on 18 July 2014 - 04:35 AM, said:

holding lasers on one mech part requires skill

hedashots from 500m requires skill

brawling requires skill

LRMS DONT

LRMS just make this game static and boring

Do they? Because the team that has good ECM can advance on all those lurking Missile Boats rather easily. It is really easy to score good damage and kills with an LRM boat till your counter comes for you and then you just die.

We have a guy in our unit who just can't get past not using LRMs. It's all he takes. He always gloats how good he does but he isn't good. It's because when he does good it's because some of us are pretty good on spotting and when you are doing well, your LRM guys will as well. But you hear him rage when he can't get locks or when people can't lock things up for him because of the situation or heavy ECM. I fought against him and 3 others from my unit one night on Forest Colony. I know where he hides. I made sure he never got locks and all his missiles would get mostly shot down. I was in my Kit Fox Prime with 3x AMS and ECM. We wiped his team. I can guarantee he was raging especially since he could only do 157 damage that match.

[OneEyed Jack]

Wolfways, on 18 July 2014 - 06:25 AM, said:

Actually i can understand why many people think that LRM's take little skill to use. It's because they completely discount that it's the tactical skill of the targets (or rather lack of skill) that lets them get kills easily.
When/if you learn to use terrain as cover LRM's will rarely bother you. That's not an opinion it's a fact that i prove every time i play.

And I.

It's funny, though. I do rather well with LRMs (I'm an active combatant, not a hide-behind-a-hill indirect lobber), but I hardly even notice enemy LRMs. Fast mechs, slow mechs, I just keep playing without even any real conscious thought to avoiding them, and still very, very rarely die to any. And most of my mechs are Brawlers, FFS. Not that I never get hit with them. Just that they spread their damage so much, that the few that do hit me don't accomplish much. I haven't even bothered with getting the new module, despite having a large pile of unused GXP just sitting there waiting for something useful, because I just don't regard them as dangerous.

Sadly, the last time I felt LRMs were a serious factor in my dying, it was a brain-dead "friendly" firing them into my back while I was brawling (and winning!) nose to nose with the target, so I don't get any "inc missile" warning.

Wolfways, on 18 July 2014 - 04:39 AM, said:

Brawling is what you end up doing when tactics have failed.

Hey, now! I brawl because I like it! Get's the blood pumping like hiding behind a hill with long range weapons never can. If I'm doing it, my tactics have succeeded, and I've gotten past their missiles, poptarts, ridge-humpers and what-not, and in among them.

Edited by OneEyed Jack, 18 July 2014 - 06:55 AM.

[Fut]

OneEyed Jack, on 18 July 2014 - 06:49 AM, said:

Hey, now! I brawl because I like it! Get's the blood pumping like hiding behind a hill with long range weapons never can. If I'm doing it, my tactics have succeeded, and I've gotten past their missiles, poptarts, ridge-humpers and what-not, and in among them.

Depends on the Variant I'm in at the moment (HBK-4G just loves to brawl, it ain't no mistake), but I can totally agree. There's nothing like a well fought Brawl to get the heart racing!

Edited by Fut, 18 July 2014 - 07:03 AM.

[Wolfways]

OneEyed Jack, on 18 July 2014 - 06:49 AM, said:

Hey, now! I brawl because I like it! Get's the blood pumping like hiding behind a hill with long range weapons never can. If I'm doing it, my tactics have succeeded, and I've gotten past their missiles, poptarts, ridge-humpers and what-not, and in among them.

lol okay, it's not my preferred playstyle and i consider it a failure if i end up in a brawl...which i seem to do a hell of a lot unfortunately

But i think on these forums there are different views on what exactly brawling is. By definition brawling is a CQC fight without tactics being involved.
I've seen brawling described as "close-ranged fighting in open ground, trying to outmaneuver each other." and "close-ranged combat using terrain to your advantage." My definition is the second one, and the only brawling i choose to use (if i have to). If i get into the first type then i failed.
I'm more into tactics. firing from cover and relocating as much as possible. The less i give the enemy a chance to shoot at me the better. Probably got that from playing WoT for so long, where getting hit once can kill you, and avoiding (and playing) snipers in BF2/3

Oh yeah, and i have a stock HBK-G for when i feel like brawling on purpose

Edited by Wolfways, 18 July 2014 - 07:11 AM.

[Kalimaster]

On LRMs now. If you have say 40 points of armor in your arms, on each side torso, and say also in the center, it takes 15 shots from an LRM 20 to even have a chance of taking you down.

[Vandul]

Kalimaster, on 18 July 2014 - 07:32 AM, said:

On LRMs now. If you have say 40 points of armor in your arms, on each side torso, and say also in the center, it takes 15 shots from an LRM 20 to even have a chance of taking you down.

This is a really good point. If you are getting humped by LRM boats and dying, its more than likely that you took other damage from other sources and the missiles are just finding a way into your gooey spots.