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[Sandpit]

TLBFestus, on 23 July 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

I agree, but his reference can also be applicable to MetaCritic, which is a site where Users review games;

• Gaming Fan/Community Sites (ex. User Reviews or Posts in a gaming forum)

Yes but if he doesn't make a disclaimer like that then you have people posting the "reviews" on the star citizen forums as "news"
or
some joe derp starting a blog so he can post his "review" as "news"

it's the same reason we have warning labels on everything, If you don't put that disclaimer on there some idiot is going to drink the bleach hoping it will whiten their teeth. Same principle here

[TLBFestus]

Above all the CM should be aware of how his posts can be read, or misinterpreted. If he can't be clear, concise and unambiguous I suggest he should simply not post.

I rest my case on the fact that I interpreted it one way, and you the other. If we do it, lots of others do it too. His comments are, and were, easily read the way I describe.

[Sandpit]

TLBFestus, on 23 July 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

Above all the CM should be aware of how his posts can be read, or misinterpreted. If he can't be clear, concise and unambiguous I suggest he should simply not post.

I rest my case on the fact that I interpreted it one way, and you the other. If we do it, lots of others do it too. His comments are, and were, easily read the way I describe.

good for you?
I'm getting tired of having to ask people to post on-topic. You do realize that you posting what you're posting is off-topic and exactly what causes threads to get derailed and locked or jettisoned right? So instead of having a pointless argument about Niko, why don't you post some actual news, which is exactly what the thread is about?

That may sound kind of harsh but it's kind of ridiculous that in almost every thread you have to say this just to keep people from hashing out old grudges, flaming or defending PGI, etc. This isn't anything personal against you, it just gets tiring. This isn't an argument or even a subjective thread, it's simply a place to post news about MWO. Personal commentary about PGI, CMs, etc. have plenty of threads available for that.

[TLBFestus]

I understand your frustration, but you've been on these forums long enough to know that "derailed" is the common theme, not the rare.

My comments were consistent with how I read Niko's post. Sorry it if upset you.

[Sandpit]

It's not a matter of me being upset, I'm really jsut trying to get some constructive threads going besides "clans are op" "lrms are op" ecm is op"

That's how we, as a community, can actually help improve the game, help other players, etc. Like I said, it's nothing personal against you, it just gets old.

[BLOOD WOLF]

news means noteworthy or new information, I believe that is the definitive. So in essence anything can be news if it is credible and fair, or free from Bias in certain respects.

I Did notice the lack of "Mechwarrior in the news". Most are old reviews and not really anything worth reading anymore. I guess the forums and other various news outlets for the game are evident.

[TLBFestus]

Sandpit, on 23 July 2014 - 06:34 PM, said:

It's not a matter of me being upset, I'm really jsut trying to get some constructive threads going besides "clans are op" "lrms are op" ecm is op"

That's how we, as a community, can actually help improve the game, help other players, etc. Like I said, it's nothing personal against you, it just gets old.

Point taken, explanation accepted.

I just have trouble accepting your belief that the Devs will take any advice from the Community. For Instance, and I hope someone at PGI is listening, the whole Community made Map issue.

We've had it explained that they don't want to let us build maps, because they would have to pour over every aspect of the map looking for errors, etc. I have my doubts that this still would not save them time, but let's leave it at that.

Why can't they sponsor a Map Contest, no programming involved, where players submit map designs in a contest to see what we can come up with? Simple 2D drawings along with an explanation of the map and how they hope it would work.

They could even put a group of 5-7 Community Members together to do the reviewing and judging and have them submit the best 3-5 maps to PGI for evaluation. If they are any good, at least PGI gets some fresh insight and design ideas basically for nothing, and for little real effort on their part (no diversion of "resources").

Their biggest job would be describing the criteria for a good map or what they are looking for.

The benefits;

- engaging the Community
- No/Minimal diversion of resources to get fresh ideas
- No legal issues (everyone who submits agrees to give up any rights to the design, but giving them credit)

Drawbacks;

- None that I can see that aren't outweighed by the benefits.


Will they do it? Doubtful. Why? Heck if I know, but it sure feels like they aren't interested in engaging the players and maybe, just may turning some hard critics into supporters.

That's where my frustration kicks in.

[Sandpit]

TLBFestus, on 23 July 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

Point taken, explanation accepted.

I just have trouble accepting your belief that the Devs will take any advice from the Community. For Instance, and I hope someone at PGI is listening, the whole Community made Map issue.

We've had it explained that they don't want to let us build maps, because they would have to pour over every aspect of the map looking for errors, etc. I have my doubts that this still would not save them time, but let's leave it at that.

Why can't they sponsor a Map Contest, no programming involved, where players submit map designs in a contest to see what we can come up with? Simple 2D drawings along with an explanation of the map and how they hope it would work.

They could even put a group of 5-7 Community Members together to do the reviewing and judging and have them submit the best 3-5 maps to PGI for evaluation. If they are any good, at least PGI gets some fresh insight and design ideas basically for nothing, and for little real effort on their part (no diversion of "resources").

Their biggest job would be describing the criteria for a good map or what they are looking for.

The benefits;

- engaging the Community
- No/Minimal diversion of resources to get fresh ideas
- No legal issues (everyone who submits agrees to give up any rights to the design, but giving them credit)

Drawbacks;

- None that I can see that aren't outweighed by the benefits.


Will they do it? Doubtful. Why? Heck if I know, but it sure feels like they aren't interested in engaging the players and maybe, just may turning some hard critics into supporters.

That's where my frustration kicks in.

I agree with everything you said (well almost everything) but again, this just isn't the thread for that.
I've voiced my displeasure with PGI on numerous occasions. I'm just as frustrated as you and anyone else. Derailing THIS thread won't help anything though.

This is something to help your fellow players. Regardless of my personal opinion on PGI as an entity the game itself is still pretty fun (although I don't play nearly as much as I used to because of poor development, boredom, PGI's attitude, lack of social tools, etc.) and I do have fun stomping around sometimes. So I'm trying to do some things for the players in spite of PGI. Those of us that have been in the community for a while have a lot of knowledge, experience, information, etc. that can help players old and new alike.

We used to have threads that announced free giveaways, articles, etc.

Now?
Not so much. I don't care if the article is "good" or "bad" in its review of the game, pgi, cw, mechs, etc. as long as it's a credible news source.

[Vassago Rain]

Sandpit, on 23 July 2014 - 08:40 PM, said:

I agree with everything you said (well almost everything) but again, this just isn't the thread for that.
I've voiced my displeasure with PGI on numerous occasions. I'm just as frustrated as you and anyone else. Derailing THIS thread won't help anything though.

This is something to help your fellow players. Regardless of my personal opinion on PGI as an entity the game itself is still pretty fun (although I don't play nearly as much as I used to because of poor development, boredom, PGI's attitude, lack of social tools, etc.) and I do have fun stomping around sometimes. So I'm trying to do some things for the players in spite of PGI. Those of us that have been in the community for a while have a lot of knowledge, experience, information, etc. that can help players old and new alike.

We used to have threads that announced free giveaways, articles, etc.

Now?
Not so much. I don't care if the article is "good" or "bad" in its review of the game, pgi, cw, mechs, etc. as long as it's a credible news source.

All that stopped when they started pushing 500 dollar gold mechs. Not a peep since. Not even on PC gamer.

[Vassago Rain]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 23 July 2014 - 09:17 PM, said:

Self-Published User Review content itself is as much an opinion piece as any other.

MetaCritic stats derived from multiple journalistic sources tend to be regarded as a reputable journalistic source itself within the industry.

However, the MetaCritic user review system itself is as susceptible to clone account generation as our own and many other free-entry / e-mail account verification based services, as a later participant in this thread has been so kind to demonstrate.

This I agree with.

I'm not sure why, but the thread is now seemingly about complaining about...whatever. I don't know anymore. However, the initial question was answered like one post in.

News go on this board. Use the 'news' tag, post, and you're done. Now, finding any kind of news on MWO? That's a different story altogether. I think the biggest story, if you could even call it that, was that steam not-mechwarrior 4 game that released a couple days ago - and that's not even directly related to MWO.