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[Killer Koala 72]

Okay so the Clans are here and every Mechwarrior and his dog seem to have bought some of the packages. Sweet, good luck to em I say.

But what really has me confused is all these "supposed" Clanners with their Clan Faction, and their Clan warmachines - all seem to play with the same tactics and fire discipline that us "Spheroids" do. I mean if your a Clanner your supposed to almost live, breath and die one on one combat - and its only when they take fire from multiple sources that this one on one sh...uh theory goes out the window. So far its like a normal IS free for all cept with different mechs and weapons.

So I'm gunna say it...

GET YER ACTS TOGETHER VAT BORN ZOMBIES

If your a damn Clanner - fight like one!!!

sorry read to many Mechwarrior novels and needed the vent!!!!!

[Bishop Steiner]

Since we are forced to drop with Inner Sphere scum both with and against us, currently, it is a foregone conclusion that Zell will be broken the moment combat starts due to your honorless focus fire and artillery strikes.

At that time we are no longer constrained to play nice, Surat.

[KGB GRU]

Killer Koala 72, on 21 June 2014 - 05:11 AM, said:

Okay so the Clans are here and every Mechwarrior and his dog seem to have bought some of the packages. Sweet, good luck to em I say.

But what really has me confused is all these "supposed" Clanners with their Clan Faction, and their Clan warmachines - all seem to play with the same tactics and fire discipline that us "Spheroids" do. I mean if your a Clanner your supposed to almost live, breath and die one on one combat - and its only when they take fire from multiple sources that this one on one sh...uh theory goes out the window. So far its like a normal IS free for all cept with different mechs and weapons.

So I'm gunna say it...

GET YER ACTS TOGETHER VAT BORN ZOMBIES

If your a damn Clanner - fight like one!!!

sorry read to many Mechwarrior novels and needed the vent!!!!!

I will fight like a clanner when my Mech acts like an actual clan mech in all its glory. /endroleplay

Edited by KGB GRU, 21 June 2014 - 05:18 AM.

[Octavian]

Obviously haven't read enough. Actual clan warfare (not the ritual trials) was not this clean cut dueling crap that people seem to envision whenever the word zellbriggen gets mentioned. Some clans were extremely strict of their interpretation and adherence, while others (*coughwolvescough*) only followed zell when they saw no advantage in doing otherwise.

[TequilaSunrise]

Besides, if I recall correctly, it didn't take long for the Clans to drop the whole Zellbringen nonsense after The Corodinator and his son handed the Smoke Jaguars their asses on a little planet called Wolcot. Might of taken some of the other clans longer, but they all pretty much learned to take any InnerSphere acceptance of batchall or Zellbringen with a healthy dose of salt.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 June 2014 - 05:17 AM, said:

Since we are forced to drop with Inner Sphere scum both with and against us, currently, it is a foregone conclusion that Zell will be broken the moment combat starts due to your honorless focus fire and artillery strikes.

At that time we are no longer constrained to play nice, Surat.

We? We? Dude, you know which faction your pledging to?

[Joseph Mallan]

Octavian, on 21 June 2014 - 05:26 AM, said:

Obviously haven't read enough. Actual clan warfare (not the ritual trials) was not this clean cut dueling crap that people seem to envision whenever the word zellbriggen gets mentioned. Some clans were extremely strict of their interpretation and adherence, while others (*coughwolvescough*) only followed zell when they saw no advantage in doing otherwise.

So which Clan conquered a world with just ONE Warrior? All Mary Sue aside, that was some shrewd bargaining.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 28 July 2014 - 08:34 PM.

[NovaFury]

If a batchall is refused or goes unanswered, the attacking side is under no obligation to respect Zell at all.

Unlikely too, given the current propensity to hide behind ECM and rain LRMs from cover. We will be content to bring field support variants as well.

[DaZur]

I drive a Nova I won in a poorly played, albeit completely legal and untainted poker game... so I feel no remorse for piloting it like a stravag.

[Aresye]

Zellbrigen is not worth the time for your honorless tactics.

In all seriousness though, the only time you might see Zellbrigen actually enforced is in Clan vs Clan matches. For standard MWO play, Zellbrigen is already out the window before the drop starts, because you know they're going to use artillery, indirect fire weapons, and ganging up on single opponents.

One of the biggest issues in all mechwarrior games is the sense of "roleplaying honor." There is rarely any honor in an online game, especially when it comes to competitive matches where you play to win, however there is "sportsmanship," which follows you as a player and for your unit's reputation.

Clanners consider themselves above petty Inner Sphere bickering, but even in lore they often go overboard and are consumed by pride, leading them to engage in the same behavior they look down upon. True Clanners are there to show the Inner Sphere they are the future. They're calculated, professional, and relish the opportunity of a good fight.

[Nauht]

Ghost Bear wants to give you a hug.

[Wolfways]

There are no clans.

Most of the clan mechs i see are piloted by lone wolves or IS pilots

PGI, killing immersion one mech at a time...

[AlexEss]

Well to be fair to the IS... This is pretty much how it went down.

Clan: I offer you a batchal
IS; is that a challange
Clan: Yes, with rules.
IS: Ok and the rules.
Clan: Are obvious, are you a simpleton
IS: No... What ever...
Clan: so the challenge is accepted
IS: Yes.. Can we go over the rules now..
Clan: Nope.. as i said it is obvious

Later on the battlefield

Clan: I challange you to Zhelbrigen
IS: Let me guess.. the rules are obvious
Clan: yes....
IS: Suuuure... Why not....
Clan: You broke the rules
IS: No i just followed my rules.. They are also obvious...

The clans where kind of posteriorprimates when it came to the whole batchal and Zhel issue.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 28 July 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

So which Clan conquered a world with just ONE Warrior? All Mary Sue aside, that was some shrewd bargaining.

Aff. Clan Ghost Steiner.

Aresye, on 28 July 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

Zellbrigen is not worth the time for your honorless tactics.

In all seriousness though, the only time you might see Zellbrigen actually enforced is in Clan vs Clan matches. For standard MWO play, Zellbrigen is already out the window before the drop starts, because you know they're going to use artillery, indirect fire weapons, and ganging up on single opponents.

One of the biggest issues in all mechwarrior games is the sense of "roleplaying honor." There is rarely any honor in an online game, especially when it comes to competitive matches where you play to win, however there is "sportsmanship," which follows you as a player and for your unit's reputation.

Clanners consider themselves above petty Inner Sphere bickering, but even in lore they often go overboard and are consumed by pride, leading them to engage in the same behavior they look down upon. True Clanners are there to show the Inner Sphere they are the future. They're calculated, professional, and relish the opportunity of a good fight.

and short of open comms, even Clan v Clan, it will be tough to pull off.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Honorable combat is reserved for honorable opponents. The Clans eventually learned that the IS could not be trusted to fight by those rules. Most of the current Clan pilots have been fighting in the IS for 2 years or so. So, we have already figured out that there is no point in trying to fight the IS that way.

I do wish instead of hunting an ECM light mech at the end of the match that they would issue a challenge, though.

[Bishop Steiner]

DaZur, on 28 July 2014 - 09:09 PM, said:

I drive a Nova I won in a poorly played, albeit completely legal and untainted poker game... so I feel no remorse for piloting it like a stravag.

you are Marik, which is the highest order of Stravag to begin with........

I would love to see the Clan Mechs unable to mount Arty and Air, TBH, but I imagine the Comp QQ would be high (but hey, it would probably drive all the comp teams back to purely IS Mechs...since most Compies can spell Zell, that would be OK by me)

[Escef]

Killer Koala 72, on 21 June 2014 - 05:11 AM, said:

If your a damn Clanner - fight like one!!!

I would suggest you set up private matches with like-minded individuals that place roleplaying as a greater priority than winning the match.

That and I've seen some posters here with truly bizarre takes on clan honor. Like the guy that said clanners prefer to brawl (which was weird, as by canon clanners liked to fight at range and the Inner Sphere was constantly trying to pull them into close quarters where the range advantage was nullified), or the one that said that clanners consider ECM dishonorable (despite numerous front line mechs mounting it).

[Jeffrey Wilder]

The current meta is

2xClan ERPPC + 2xClan Gauss.

Guess what mech can do that?

[Livewyr]

Well, all that plus:

The clans did not have their weapons neutered by comstar (or if you prefer to view them as the standard, Comstar did not grant Inner Sphere mechs nigh unlimited customization...)


Also, I do make a point every once in a while issuing a challenge in solo queue.. never seems to get taken up.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jeffrey Wilder, on 29 July 2014 - 05:13 AM, said:

The current meta is

2xClan ERPPC + 2xClan Gauss.

Guess what mech can do that?

lol......yeah, we see so many of those run by the upper tier teams...............

oh ...wait?