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[Jim thorne]

So the more I look at this little mech more interested I am. lots of energy and jump jets, combined with a small engine might turn out all right. stock matches will be nice in it as well. what do you guys think and was it any good in TT?

[Spike Brave]

It was a good mech in TT.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jim thorne, on 10 August 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

So the more I look at this little mech more interested I am. lots of energy and jump jets, combined with a small engine might turn out all right. stock matches will be nice in it as well. what do you guys think and was it any good in TT?

A lot depends on size and hitboxes. After all, the BJ-1 is a slow 45 tonners and it has it's niche, and users who do well in it.

That said, I think it will be a second or third tier Medium in the main queues, because of it's speed and armor loadout, and without serious hardpoint inflation, the missiles will be an afterthought. But it should make for a very good Stock Mech .

[Budor]

It will be 45 tons good, we all know how good that is.

[Mcgral18]

Budor, on 10 August 2014 - 02:45 PM, said:

It will be 45 tons good, we all know how good that is.

Well...BJs are half decent. They are also reasonably sized. That's what's going to make or break the Vindicator.

BJ has high mounted hardpoints with decent hitboxes and a slim profile. Vindicator has potential for that...but we haven't seen it yet.

Hardpoints in the Vindy seem pretty lacking, but they all have JJs. Speed is acceptable at 93, but certainly not fast. I don't expect them to replace my BJs 1 or 1X.

[Budor]

Yes BJs are actually ok...i am just trying to set my expectations really low, it helped tremendously for the last 2 years.

[Tezcatli]

I found myself wondering what's going to really set it apart from the venerable Blackjack. I absolutely love my Blackjacks. But I am really curious to see another entry in the 45 ton weight class.

[Psydotek]

In a stock only mode? It should be excellent. Even more so if R&R was still active.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Vindicators are Liao mechs. That's all I need to know about them to figure out just how terrible they'll be.

[Jim thorne]

Agreed the size of this mech is going to make or break it but. Most likely I am going to use the vindicator as escort for assaults.

[Sephlock]

I look forward to seeing whether the OP's predictions are...

Vindicated.

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

Wish the would throw us a screenie. They already told us it is coming. Give us a peek already.

[Viges]

No reasons for it to be better than BJs.

[Jim thorne]

Screenie would be nice alex always does great art

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 10 August 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

Well...BJs are half decent. They are also reasonably sized. That's what's going to make or break the Vindicator.

BJ has high mounted hardpoints with decent hitboxes and a slim profile. Vindicator has potential for that...but we haven't seen it yet.

Hardpoints in the Vindy seem pretty lacking, but they all have JJs. Speed is acceptable at 93, but certainly not fast. I don't expect them to replace my BJs 1 or 1X.

and 2 energy hardpoints will be knuckle draggers, and the third, in the head.

Viges, on 10 August 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

No reasons for it to be better than BJs.

probably true, but it will own BJs in SMM. Because, TOTALLY contrary to TT, the Vindi will actually be more heat efficient than the BJ, lol.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 10 August 2014 - 03:46 PM.

[MAXrobo]

I really miss the concept art they use to put out for mechs. They almost always looked far better then what we actually get in game and gave us a sneak peak of what the hit boxes and geometry will be.

I agree with what most people have said. How good the vindi is relies pretty heavily on how it looks. If its short and narrow, it could be a decent mech. If not, well... the awesome and dragon might get some company.

[Carrioncrows]

Well a few things are up in the air.

1. Hitboxes
2. Hardpoints, obviously a lot of missile hardpoints can make a nice brawling medium similar to the griffin 3m with it's quad 6's, but on a more agile scale.
3. The AA variant could be really welcome giving high speed and jumpjets something that's been needed as a 45 ton class mech.
4. Last but not least is the potential for ECM.

[Nauht]

Anything you can do my SHD can do better, I can do everything better than you...

But seriously it'll be a good mech that you'd get if you like the chassis not if you're a min-max player.

[Jim thorne]

Meh the SHD is over rated its got good wep locations but poor maneuverability.

[Carrioncrows]

Nauht, on 10 August 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

Anything you can do my SHD can do better, I can do everything better than you...

But seriously it'll be a good mech that you'd get if you like the chassis not if you're a min-max player.

It's not about weight, it's about tonnage vs power vs agility.

In a pug world, sure a Shadowhawk is better...but in a pug world taking anything less than something with the most weapons and armor is the name of the game.

However in league play where tonnage limits are enforced the vindicator can bring some much needed versatility at 45 tons.