This is my final post for a long while because the forums are restricting me to only making 5 a day.
Koniving, on 14 August 2014 - 05:06 AM, said:
Those solo players, unfortunately, felt the same way about having 1 to 3 groups of 2 to 4 players decked and stacked against them.
It wouldn't be so bad if ELO actually worked in group play but so far it does not.
The other issue I'm seeing is that you guys, despite Shader's rather start-worthy mechs, are doing very little damage.
What exactly are you doing? What is your strategy? How are you engaging a tactically minded and highly organized enemy?
Are you just running around having fun? Or are you fighting an enemy force that is intent on winning by slaughter?
Keep that in mind. Take a moment to think about what you have.
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Tactics: If you're running in a 2 person group (Shaders is always with you from what I see), you should set yourselves up to compliment and support each other.
If your friend is in a Summoner, is he using LRMs or is he using energy and ballistics?
If LRMs, he needs a spotter who can find targets and press R, keep them in sight but stay out of sight and alive. A Spider, Locust, Jenner, etc can do this very well.
If energy and ballistics, he'll need an escort, someone who can watch his back. And a Spider...isnt' going to be able to do that. Not enough firepower. Lemme look at what trial mechs are available right now, one sec.
And back.
Okay, so supporting a direct fire Summoner or even an indirect fire one if protecting Shaders is typically more important than finding locks for him, you will want to use the Blackjack trial mech (The AC/20 save for close range; 3 hits in the same spot will completely screw over most Dire Wolves which are the most heavily armored of Clan mechs. Same is true against Atlases which is the IS version of the Dire Wolf in terms of armor) and the lasers will work good as well. Both weapons are best at 270 meters or less.
Also good is an Orion. The streaks are solid against light mechs. The AC/10 and large lasers are effective at longer ranges and the armor is pretty solid. In fact you'll have more armor than the Summoner and equal armor to the Timber Wolves.
If your friend Shaders can wait for you or go a bit slower, the Victor and Highlander trials are pretty solid as well. The Victor one hasn't got good defenses against light mechs, though.
Of these mechs, if you have armlock turned on go with the Victor or the Blackjack. If you have it turned off, use any of them.
I would like to note I cannot aim for ****, I tried the blackjack and I couldn't hit anything at all. I am most likely the worst aim you will ever see and I can only hit things if I am hella up close. Also I have huge problems with seeing -like- objects in game, it's like colorblindness but waaaaay worse. Things even up close are often "invisible" at times. Thank you for the advice though, can you post a new post with more based on what I've said?
Also, does putting a few teams of 2-3 people on a match with randoms really effect things THAT much? Can a slight bit more coordination really throw a match ultra hard in their direction?
Fire and Salt, on 14 August 2014 - 05:13 AM, said:
Everyone gets stomped on occasion, unless you have a full group of 12 players (or almost 12) you are going to run into people that are more organized than you.
Stop worrying about whether your team wins or loses, and worry about your personal performance.
Also - if you are playing with a group, you are going to get stomped more often than solo, unless your group is actually good. Most of the best players play in groups, and groups only play against other groups. If you play when there are not a lot of players on, you will get stuck playing against the really good groups.
IMO, there is not really a problem with the game, it is really more of a problem with our society, in that we feel entitled to win all the time. Realistically, you are a beginner so you should expect to lose most of the time. A.5 kill death ratio is actually pretty good for a beginner.
Most games are more beginner friendly because
A.) They are single player and are designed to make everyone feel like a winner. Fact: everyone thinks that they are 'good' at single player games.
B.) Lots of kids play them (ex Halo / COD) so it is easy to reach 1.0 kdr because your killing a lot of 5th graders.
Most mechwarrior players are between the ages of 20 and 40, and are long time fans of mechwarrior. Obviously they are going to be harder to kill than a 5th grader. If you need any confirmation of the maturity gap, go play GTA V online and listen to all the dbasses in chat. MWO seems like a bunch of PhD holders by comparison.
I looked at the screenshots, and there are some very good players on the other team, including tournament winners, etc.
TL DR:
You are doing fine for a beginner. Stop worrying.
Alternatively, go play an easy mode ego inflating game against bots or children. That would be a waste, IMO because it seems like you have potential. But our society is built on instant gratification, and everyone's a winner mindsets.
I honestly do not feel like I am doing fine. Also I mostly play multiplayer games with FRIENDS, I want to play with FRIENDS and this game doesn't want me to play with anyone but myself. Masturbation isn't great all the time, you'll get sore real fast doing that.
Seriously though, the fact I either have to face hell in group match making to have a bad time with friends, or wait 10 minutes to have a slightly less bad time by myself... Well I can say sharing the pain is a lot easier than taking it all at once. Why take those 10 inches by yourself if it's double sided?
SethAbercromby, on 14 August 2014 - 05:10 AM, said:
Oh Konivig, you are quite the drama llama sometimes. Yes, people know what they're doing in group queue, but it is much less horrible then being put together with the common PUG mouthbreather that keeps hugging his favorite rock.
I'm playing in the group queue for fun, while I consider solo PUGging a special hell made to make newcomers feel bad about themselves.
If you want really want a newcomer to learn the ropes, take him to the group queue. Players will be more coordinated on both sides so the player in question gets the chance to observe skillful play and take pointers for his own play, as well as live advice from his group parterners.
Yes but what if I am an awful mouthbreathing stupid at this game? What if my friends are too? Why can't we just play at our own skill level with other peeps?
Arnold J Rimmer, on 14 August 2014 - 05:23 AM, said:
Seeing names like JagerXII, Edmiester, Sean Lang and others in those screenshots, on the opposite team (of those group matches), is also telling. You're going up against people who regularly play in the competitive circuit, and really enjoy that tasty PPC/Gauss/whatever combo. Even if they weren't using that loadout or one of its many variations, they are still objectively good players. Whereas I recognise no names in the Blue team on those shots.
Cynically, I wonder how you got into those games.
Play solo, and as a new account you shouldn't see those names at all.
Are you serious? Are you actually pooping me right now? I am going up against highly competitive circuit players? I have to go up against these kinds of people to play my gosh dang video game with a friend or face being alone?
WWWHHHHY
Even if the game isn't really as bad as it seems, I have felt nothing but awful playing this game. I love the look, feel, ideas behind this game and to have it all killed because playing with friends means death!? Tragedy!
Another for the board, so close!
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Edited by Estrous, 14 August 2014 - 06:39 AM.
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