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[Livewyr]

So I am here to present a case for introducing the Shadow Cat.
For honesty's sake: A- I really want my Shadow Cat.

B: Lore. Lore is somewhat sticky in the current situation, as while the Shadow Cat was introduced in 3003, it was not recorded in the Inner Sphere until 3052, at the battle of Luthien. Under strict circumstances of IS sightings, that would disqualify the Shadow Cat from being introduced. However: I would like to make a case or two of precedence: The Highlander, it was in lore, and present, but with very few sightings. (And only in 2 houses of the IS, along with Comstar.) Yet it is here.
Next case: AWS-9M: Technically, it was introduced in 3049, where we are.. but how widespread was/is it? (If nomenclature follows pattern, I believe 9M was Marik only.)
We have mechs that are "virtually extinct" and restricted to 2 factions, along mechs that were only introduced this year, and to one house only. The Shadow Cat was introduced in 3003, and while may have only been recorded in 3052, was likely present in the initial invasion. Furthermore, even if it *was* only present within the clans until 3052, I would cite the same precedence set by the 9M and HGNs being present only within Kurita and Marik. (and Comstar)

C: Gameplay.
The Shadow Cat would be a welcome addition to the clans:
45 ton clan mech (check)
MASC (check)
ECM (check)- This is kind of huge, as the clans are lacking heavily in the ECM department.
Jumpjets (check)
3 current variants (check)

D: With programming the MASC required to bring it (just as Artemis with the CN9-D) that would also open the door for the long promised Flea for inner sphere, and then a welcome fast clan mech: the Fire Moth.



I really want my Shadow Cat.

[Tsig]

Do you honestly think they haven't been working on the MASC issue for a while now?

[3rdworld]

Tsig, on 16 August 2014 - 06:30 AM, said:

Do you honestly think they haven't been working on the MASC issue for a while now?

Yes.

[Dirgez]

[Livewyr]

Tsig, on 16 August 2014 - 06:30 AM, said:

Do you honestly think they haven't been working on the MASC issue for a while now?

I know they have the project open.

I am advocating for raising it a little, on the priority list for mech development.

But hey, nice first post.. good way to set the tone.

[Artgathan]

Livewyr, on 16 August 2014 - 06:27 AM, said:

C: Gameplay.
The Shadow Cat would be a welcome addition to the clans:
45 ton clan mech (check)
MASC (check)
ECM (check)- This is kind of huge, as the clans are lacking heavily in the ECM department.
Jumpjets (check)

I'd wager these three things will actually really hurt your argument. The Shadow Cat looks like it'd actually be a pretty formidable mech (low profile, good mix of energy/missile for a 45 tonners, lots of armor, fast, jumps, ECM)

(That said, new mechs are always welcome in my book)

[Scratx]

Artgathan, on 16 August 2014 - 06:38 AM, said:

I'd wager these three things will actually really hurt your argument. The Shadow Cat looks like it'd actually be a pretty formidable mech (low profile, good mix of energy/missile for a 45 tonners, lots of armor, fast, jumps, ECM)

(That said, new mechs are always welcome in my book)

Being a 45t mech doesn't hurt the argument. MASC does, a bit, but if PGI really wants, they can keep it Clan-only for now and not break the servers as a result. (or even allow it to everyone BUT hard-cap speed to no more than 170kph or so anyway, so it becomes more of a question of whether you'd rather have a bigger engine or MASC)

ECM, however, may make it too good. Damned ECM implementation.......

[Stonefalcon]

I heard the Shadow Cat is finished, same as the Mad Dog. PGI's probably waiting for second phase invasion release.

My Wish is the Cauldron Born is included in these mechs

Edited by Stonefalcon, 16 August 2014 - 06:51 AM.

[1453 R]

The Shadow Cat is certainly an excellent 'Mech and I'd love to pilot one, but I don't think it's what the Clans need right now.

The Clans need (need need need need NEED NEED NEED) something faster than a Stormcrow. Not that the Stormcrow is bad by any means, but as much as I love my Stormcrows, there are jobs even it can't do. A Viper or Ice Ferret, a Mist Lynx or maybe even the ridiculous Fire Moth if they can ever get their engine to work properly, are a flat requirement. An Arctic Cheetah if they want the "Make Clans SUCK!" crowd to all just mass-uninstall. Whatever way you go about it, the lack of a proper first-response/reconnaissance platform in the Clan line-up is absolutely criminal and needs to be addressed as quickly as possible.

Besides. You want to watch the Light queues soar up to 50%? Introduce the Arctic Cheetah. Do it.

Edited by 1453 R, 16 August 2014 - 07:36 AM.

[Ryokens leap]

I doubt we will see an ECM Shadowcat before the Hellbringer ECM variant.

[Mcgral18]

Stonefalcon, on 16 August 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

I heard the Shadow Cat is finished, same as the Mad Dog. PGI's probably waiting for second phase invasion release.

My Wish is the Cauldron Born is included in these mechs

Where did you hear this information!?

[SgtMagor]

http://th09.devianta...210-d70hled.jpg

[ApolloKaras]

I can see it now... Clan reinforcement pack! Mad dog, Shadow cat, Dasher, and the Executioner. Since we fixed masc we can put that in there too. Who doesn't want an assault moving 86 kph before tweak. Lol.

[mike29tw]

SgtMagor, on 16 August 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

http://th09.devianta...210-d70hled.jpg

Please don't look like this......It loses the elegant silhouette of Shadow Hawk...

[Livewyr]

Stonefalcon, on 16 August 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

I heard the Shadow Cat is finished, same as the Mad Dog. PGI's probably waiting for second phase invasion release.

My Wish is the Cauldron Born is included in these mechs

Mcgral18, on 16 August 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:

Where did you hear this information!?

I second this!

Where did you hear this!?

[LordKnightFandragon]

Artgathan, on 16 August 2014 - 06:38 AM, said:

I'd wager these three things will actually really hurt your argument. The Shadow Cat looks like it'd actually be a pretty formidable mech (low profile, good mix of energy/missile for a 45 tonners, lots of armor, fast, jumps, ECM)

(That said, new mechs are always welcome in my book)

Low profile? It will just be really skinny, but PGI loves to artificially size up mechs.....it wouldnt have that low a profile...

mike29tw, on 16 August 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

Please don't look like this......It loses the elegant silhouette of Shadow Hawk...

That looks like an Assault mech variant of the Shadow Cat...which there is a ShadowCat II, which I think is a 75t heavy..

Yeah, we only need the 45t Medium.

Saxie, on 16 August 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

I can see it now... Clan reinforcement pack! Mad dog, Shadow cat, Dasher, and the Executioner. Since we fixed masc we can put that in there too. Who doesn't want an assault moving 86 kph before tweak. Lol.

well, MASC locks up, and if the Jam rate is any indication of how often MASC will lock up, I dont even want MASC....it will be....take 5 steps, MASC Locked up...and your sitting in the open for 10seconds while you wait for it to unjam....Right torso destroyed, Gauss Rifle, Destroyed, CT is red, both legs are orange, head is yellow, back is stripped, LT internals are red.....FINALLY back in cover. ......no...and im sure we all know it will be that way. UACs jam every like 4th or 5th shot...

[Artgathan]

LordKnightFandragon, on 16 August 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

Low profile? It will just be really skinny, but PGI loves to artificially size up mechs.....it wouldnt have that low a profile...

Low profile may have been the wrong word to use. I meant that the mech is not 'vertically distributed' in the way that humanoid mechs are.

[Scratx]

MASC will most likely just deal straight damage to the internal structure while in use.

[Mcgral18]

Scratx, on 16 August 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

MASC will most likely just deal straight damage to the internal structure while in use.

I'll wager heat. Either linear or exponential.

[Artgathan]

Mcgral18, on 16 August 2014 - 10:38 AM, said:

I'll wager heat. Either linear or exponential.

I'm putting my money on heat as well. I imagine MASC will have an implementation similar to "sprinting" in other FPS games (IE: hold shift to run extra fast, generating heat as you do).