111 replies to this topic

[Carrioncrows]

BLOOD WOLF, on 18 August 2014 - 10:01 PM, said:

or they can just remove it Quiaff? just reading off of what Russ said. I dont actually know what its going to entail but I can trust in my ability to read:) If they put it in they can take it out. Who knows.

I know.

And I'm telling u GH isn't going anywhere

[EgoSlayer]

BLOOD WOLF, on 18 August 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

ghost heat is the penalty. I believe that is so. Firing 3 LL in successions wont make it magically jump to insane levels.

I Would think he would have said modules but it may be to early. Those patch notes should clear the air, but I thought I would get people thinking.

No it's not. The weapon modules currently increase the heat of the weapon they apply to, much greater than the bonus they offer. His tweet is in reference to removing the penalty from the weapon modules, not ghost heat. They are completely different things.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Carrioncrows, on 18 August 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

I know.

And I'm telling u GH isn't going anywhere

what happens, happens i guess.

EgoSlayer, on 18 August 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

No it's not. The weapon modules currently increase the heat of the weapon they apply to, much greater than the bonus they offer. His tweet is in reference to removing the penalty from the weapon modules, not ghost heat. They are completely different things.

I guess so, could be. ghost heat is a heat penalty though. Weapon are more like attachments so the word heat penalty was around before the weapon modules were in. one can wonder.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 August 2014 - 10:08 PM.

[Navid A1]

BLOOD WOLF, on 18 August 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

Russ on twitter meantion Lvl 5 weapon modules and He said they removed Heat penalty. Does that mean they removed the penalty with the high level modules or that they removed it in general.

Russ Bullock ‏@russ_bullock 17s
@russ_bullock not in tomorrow's patch but soon™ we will be releasing weapon modules to lvl 5 and we have removed heat penalty-eta/info soon™.

fixed.!

[Kilo 40]

even without the heat penalty 5 meters isn't worth 6 million c-bills.

[Wolfways]

Kilo 40, on 18 August 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

even without the heat penalty 5 meters isn't worth 6 million c-bills.

Well they did say they want modules to be "end game" stuff.

[BLOOD WOLF]

"not in tomorrow's patch but soon we will be releasing weapon modules to lvl 5 and we have removed heat penalty-eta/info soon."


Notice how he does not connect Heat penalty to modules. He says "weapon modules to lvl 5 "AND" we have removed heat penalty. That is why I think It is heat penalty's for weapons in general Just felt like i needed to explain the rational. Of course I can be wrong. Would be neat either way, give people incentive and assurance to using weapons modules.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 August 2014 - 10:16 PM.

[Deathlike]

For the sake of argument... why would Ghost Heat be removed? Wouldn't it be easier to fire Paul?

Paul's not going to be fired anytime soon, so any "realistic inclination" to assume the Ghost Heat on the table (as poorly conceptualized, let alone executed) is a real pipe dream.

If Ghost Heat is actually being abolished, then maybe I'll dance in Paul's honor. Seriously though, you haven't even paid attention to the complaints on why those weapon modules suck in the first place to properly understand said context. The heat on the medium laser module for example is NOT WORTH TOUCHING, because the heat "penalty" as part of that tradeoff (not referring to Ghost Heat) is going to be MORE THAN PROBLEMATIC for just a paltry range increase. I'm talking about just putting 6 meds on something like a Hunchback-4J (not 4P, to make my example clear of Ghost Heat).

Edited by Deathlike, 18 August 2014 - 10:18 PM.

[Scratx]

BLOOD WOLF, on 18 August 2014 - 10:15 PM, said:

"not in tomorrow's patch but soon we will be releasing weapon modules to lvl 5 and we have removed heat penalty-eta/info soon."


Notice how he does not connect Heat penalty to modules. He says "weapon modules to lvl 5 "AND" we have removed heat penalty. That is why I think It is heat penalty's for weapons in general Just felt like i needed to explain the rational. Of course I can be wrong.

And your likelihood of being wrong here is around 99%. Sorry, mate, but he clearly means the heat penalty on the weapon modules themselves.

I can't even imagine why they would ditch Ghost Heat without having something ready to snap into place to accomplish the same thing.

[Kilo 40]

Wolfways, on 18 August 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Well they did say they want modules to be "end game" stuff.

meh. them last two levels had better be extraordinary.

[Mycrus]

Davers, on 18 August 2014 - 09:56 PM, said:

LOL No way is GH being exercised!

I need exercise

Ghost heat needs an exorcism

[Navid A1]

it'll be good if lvl 5 modules increase the cap on the minimum ghost heat free alpha of certain weapons.

like lvl5 LL allows 3 free LL alpha
PPC...
etc...etc...!

Edited by Navid A1, 18 August 2014 - 10:24 PM.

[TyphonCh]

I love how this guy puts out more updates on Twatter than he does on his actual MWO site.
/NOT

[FDJustin]

Twitters only gives you 140 characters. I'll give you 20 to 1 odds he means ghost heat. 1 to 1 odds he means module heat.

[Deathlike]

FDJustin, on 18 August 2014 - 10:25 PM, said:

Twitters only gives you 140 characters. I'll give you 20 90 to 1 odds he means ghost heat. 1 to 1 odds he means module heat.

Fixed for you.

[Davers]

Mycrus, on 18 August 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

I need exercise

Ghost heat needs an exorcism

LOL Everyone is a grammar {Godwin's Law}.

[Bhael Fire]

Adding heat on weapon mods is counter productive.

The whole point of weapon mods is that it gives you an advantage in a certain area; as a way to "specialize" in certain weapons. Heat penalties are purely punitive and counter-productive to that goal....especially with the insignificant range increase they provide.

They would be wise to remove heat penalties from weapon mods...

Edited by Bhael Fire, 18 August 2014 - 10:30 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

FDJustin, on 18 August 2014 - 10:25 PM, said:

Twitters only gives you 140 characters. I'll give you 20 to 1 odds he means ghost heat. 1 to 1 odds he means module heat.

Does anyone here know that modules never generated ghost heat? Considering that ghost heat has been in affect before modules. A module never changed how ghost heat worked. A mech would generate ghost heat with or without a module, a module just added a heat increase in relation to the bonus it gave Quiaff?

If that were the case as of right now we get heat penalties for the weapons themselves and the weapon modules.

Anyway, if it were weapons I think russ would have said Weapon module ghost heat instead of just "ghost heat"

I thought ghost heat was a penalty for Boating? AKA Firing multiple weapons at once

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 18 August 2014 - 10:32 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Davers, on 18 August 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

LOL Everyone is a grammar {Godwin's Law}.

In his defense...it is an entirely different work.


Very slim chance we'll ever get rid of ghost heat. It's almost certainly in reference to the weapon module penalties.

[Wolfways]

BLOOD WOLF, on 18 August 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

Does anyone here know that modules never generated ghost heat? Considering that ghost heat has been in affect before modules. A module never changed how ghost heat worked. A mech would generate ghost heat with or without a module, a module just added a heat increase in relation to the bonus it gave Quiaff?

If that were the case as of right now we get heat penalties for the weapons themselves and the weapon modules.

Anyway, if it were weapons I think russ would have said Weapon module ghost heat instead of just "ghost heat"

I thought ghost heat was a penalty for Boating? AKA Firing multiple weapons at once

He said heat penalty not ghost heat.