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[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

Centurion 9AH thank you

[AdamBaines]

Mott, on 03 September 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I don't think this comment can be stated emphatically enough.

There are sooooo many issues to fix and decent mechs to release before PGI gets around to designing and releasing joke mechs, it's not even funny.

+1000000000

[Hillslam]

[CDLord HHGD]

Ngamok, on 03 September 2014 - 06:00 AM, said:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Guillotine

Is the left arm supposed to have a lower actuator?

NM, some pics show it with, others without....

Source

[Strum Wealh]

cdlord, on 03 September 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Is the left arm supposed to have a lower actuator?

NM, some pics show it with, others without....

Source

Record Sheets: 3039 shows that both the GLT-4L (on pg. 423 of 500 of the PDF) & GLT-4P (on pg. 424 of 500 of the PDF) have a Lower Arm Actuator in the Right Arm, and that both variants lack a Lower Arm Actuator in the Left Arm.
Record Sheets: 3050 Upgrades, Unabriged - Clan & Star League shows that both the GLT-3N (on pg. 280 of 364 of the PDF) also has a Lower Arm Actuator in the Right Arm while lacking a Lower Arm Actuator in the Left Arm.

Since PGI tends to prioritize the record sheet listing over artwork in determining 'Mech loadout (see, the ON1-K's SRM launcher), the MWO GLTs would have the actuator sets indicated on the record sheets.
So, in terms of MWO, the GLTs would behave like the VTR-9B or the HGN-733C - that is, they would have substantially-reduced horizontal arm movement ranges in comparison to 'Mechs with Lower Arm Actuators in both arms, but they would still have some horizontal arm movement (unlike 'Mechs that lack Lower Arm Actuators in both arms).

[White Bear 84]

Mott, on 03 September 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

I don't think this comment can be stated emphatically enough.

There are sooooo many issues to fix and decent mechs to release before PGI gets around to designing and releasing joke mechs, it's not even funny.

But I.. I.. wasn't being serious...

[WalkingDeathBot]

Ok what is this mech I just saw posted to the MWO twitter feed?

https://twitter.com/...sNoGalaxy/media

[Domoneky]

We Will never be happy and we'll never have fun

[CycKath]

WalkingDeathBot, on 03 September 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

Ok what is this mech I just saw posted to the MWO twitter feed?

https://twitter.com/...sNoGalaxy/media

This one? https://twitter.com/...296197598392321
That's just a Griffin

[DieGruneMorder]

Vulture/MadDog and the Hellbringer.....please! Oh and the IS needs a new Heavy to answer the Timberwolf. Looking through the lore, im not sure what thats going to be....probably nothing.

[Sparks Murphey]

CycKath, on 03 September 2014 - 03:13 AM, said:

The 7K was developed 3068 however, in the present timeframe there are only three available variants the original GHR-5H, the GHR-5J and GHR-5N. Hero would have to be an invented variant.

While the actual loadout for a Hero Grasshopper would need to be invented, the "Red by Night" mentioned in TRO 3039 would make for a characteristic model.

Technical Readout 3039 said:

Force Commander Thomas Henten: Henten was the officer in charge of the Marik raiding force that attacked Bryant’s Lantren Corporation in 2843 and damaged the factory’s protective domes, which had been constructed after the planet’s Star League-era Storm Inhibitors were destroyed. Force Commander Henten filled several cargo transports with Grasshopper spare parts for his personal machine, the “Red by Night.” Now piloted by a distant descendant, the Red by Night still draws from this cache of spare parts and is in pristine condition.

I'm thinking a black Grasshopper with red lightning to represent Bryant's ever-present storms.

There's also the Grasshopper of Tor Miraborg:

Technical Readout 3039 said:

Överste-Löjtnant Tor Miraborg: In charge of many of the small unit operations ordered to hunt down the ronin resistance groups fighting throughout the Free Rasalhague Republic, Tor and his Grasshopper not only led the attacks, but also served as the rear guard when retreating. Tor has been injured twice in combat, suffering light wounds when witnesses thought he should have been killed. The Överste-Löjtnant credits his well-designed Grasshopper for his survival.

In contrast to the "pristine" condition of the Red by Night (and the St. Ives Blue and Protector), Miraborg's unnamed Grasshopper would be heavily pitted and scarred (like the Oxide and Misery).

[Griggio]

Firemage, on 02 September 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

HG "Claims" the rights, the Japanese courts have said that the rights belong to Studio Nue, and they won't talk to HG anymore, and the people HG currently "license" it from don't have the ability to grant such a long lasting license. Just no one in NA want's to fight the fight to free up the "Macross" licenses.

The whole thing is super messy. The original artist sold the designs to both Studio Nue / Tatsunoko and FASA. Tatsunoko then turns around and then sells the rights for NA use to Harmony Gold. HG then turns around and issues a cease and desist to FASA.......well they pretty much go after everyone in NA producing anything resembling Robotech.

Fast forward years later and Studio Nue wins in court against Tatsunoko, in Japan. As it turns out they only had distribution rights and no claim to the actual Macross IP. Currently Studio Nue has shown no interest in taking the case to court in the US. They have Japan and HG has NA.

I have an extreme dislike for HG if for anything else that there will never be a Macross A.C.E. game released in the US.

Back on topic! As far as new mech's I would love to see anything that would go toe to toe with a Timber or DW on the IS side, though personally I'm holding out for a Vulture release!

[Sparks Murphey]

[Griggio]

Sparks Murphey, on 04 September 2014 - 12:48 AM, said:

The real kick in the pants is they're trying to Kickstart a new spin off.......

[Hollow Earth]

Joseph Mallan, on 03 September 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

Those large shoulder panels seem to fit the marauder quite well.

El Bandito, on 03 September 2014 - 04:05 AM, said:

Actually, it seems to be more like this:


Just drop in and ruin everything

Edited by Hollow Earth, 04 September 2014 - 01:45 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Koniving, on 20 August 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

I know the MWO meta in Battletech is absolutely worthless. Heavily armored Twin AC/5 + PPC and twin PPC + AC/5 Shadowhawks are completely worthless against even stock Locusts, stock Jenners at 64 points of armor, the Shadowhawk with MWO meta is worthless! Even with a 0/0 pilot (top skill) against average 4/5 pilots. I was only able to kill one thing. One thing with 2 meta Shadowhawk try-hards in tabletop. A goddamn jeep. That was it. Meanwhile an Awesome handed them their ass.

Out of 22 targets and 36 try-hard Shadowhawk meta builds... I got one kill, and 36 dead Shadowhawks. And most fights were one on one or two on one in favor of the Shadowhawks against stock mechs.

But here.. pfft. It's all in how it's made. A huge part of it though is that rising threshold.

Nah, with a single PPC its nothing to do with the high heat threshhold, its much more to do with the fact low calibre ACs in Battletech SUCK. they really, really suck. they weigh a ridiculous amount for a 5 or 2 dmg weapon.

Imagine how bad an AC/2 would be in MWO if its refire rate was 4s.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 04 September 2014 - 02:56 AM.

[Black Ivan]

We will never see the Marauder. All of the Unseen are out of PGIs reach.

I expect the Mauler or perhaps Hatamoto Chi

[nonnex]

My speculation for upcoming features in Sept. would be the following:

[Koniving]

Widowmaker1981, on 04 September 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

Nah, with a single PPC its nothing to do with the high heat threshhold, its much more to do with the fact low calibre ACs in Battletech SUCK. they really, really suck. they weigh a ridiculous amount for a 5 or 2 dmg weapon.

Imagine how bad an AC/2 would be in MWO if its refire rate was 4s.

I know.

There's also the lack of convergence spreading the damage. Which is hilariously ironic, considering that compared to the books the over-simplified tabletop game suffers from horrendous pinpoint damage!

However, low caliber ACs are super cold and heat efficient. A BJ-1's AC/2 is a 30mm caliber with 10 shots to do 2 damage. A 40mm has 8 shots (40mm AC/5 has 20 shots), etc. 80mm AC/2 has 4 shots (80mm AC/5 has 10 shots). Damage efficient they are not, but they are meant to compliment the high heat of lasers and the long reload time of the ultra powerful missiles so that you have a low-heat fall back that you can use constantly and freely (until ammo runs short). Davions love them because they keep the mechs cheap and easy to repair.

You might laugh at that description, but consider this.

Spoiler

The typical Atlas has 304 points of armor.
The Atlas D's 100mm Deathgiver AC/20 is described as a 15 to 16 shot auto-fire weapon [depending on the book]. 15 falls in line with the 100mm AC/10 and AC/5 shot counts to do rated damage so we'll use that. 1.33 per shot. The heavy recoil is what limits the range (not that the shot can't go anywhere as using an AC/20 in TT/Megamek you can, with enough 'skill' in the gunner, I've shot out to 630 meters with an AC/20 and hit for full damage. It's super rare but it can and does work).
The Atlas RS has a 120mm AC/10. 1.67 damage per shot (both numbers are rounded, it's 1 and 1/3rd for the AC/20 and 1 and 2/3rds for the AC/10). This specific AC/10 in the book has more pinpoint damage, but the AC/20 shoots a lot faster, superseding the damage of the AC/10 over time.

Now, compare it to this. Neither one of those do 2 damage in a single shot. But an SRM per missile does 2 damage. An LRM per missile does 1 damage, and the Farfire LRM on the Atlases (all but the K) fires 5 missiles at a time, rapidly recycling until it fires 20 missiles total "Across ten seconds" in the description's own words. And this is considered impressive.

Meanwhile, the Atlas D and D-DC lasers are known for shooting about 3 to 4 times (depending on the writer) in a 10 second period. For one medium laser that's 5 damage / 3. 1.67 damage per shot. 3 heat / 3. 1 heat per shot. Now shutdown risks at 15 heat (50% threshold) seems a lot more manageable, doesn't it?

And know how the Atlas K is considered the pinnacle of technology and 22 million cbills? Its ER Large Lasers are specifically mentioned to fire twice. 4 damage and 6 heat per shot, per laser, per 10 seconds. The Gauss Rifle only fires once. And the Atlas K has a 10 tube LRM launcher unlike the others (by replacing the SRM rack in the upper left shoulder it packs on a larger LRM-20).

Sure it's super hot, but with damage like that and range like that, who cares?! It's the ultimate in stock Atlas technology.

Sadly, firing 2 ER LL at once spiked you up to about 40% heat (same as one ER LL at the "full" non-summary damage and heat rating).

Meanwhile... The AC/20 on the Hunchback is the second largest in the Inner Sphere at 180mm and 4 damage per shot for what is considered to be a rapid burst of 5 shots. Hence the urban city tactic...

And in general this is why it's safe to travel at 64.8 kph or even less, and why missiles are always depicted as really devastating. Their over time damage is horrible, but LRMs at 1 damage each for 20 of them is pretty damn amazing and even 5 LRMs will put a good hurting on the enemy. And SRMs are absolutely brutal.

Meanwhile.. There are 44 unique standard medium laser variants.

My favorite is the most powerful of them all, the Rassal Blue Beam. Supposedly the only medium laser that can actually do 5 damage in a single shot, but it required a charge up time, caused EM Interference which disrupted systems in the cockpit (of the user; and was known for shutting down ECM and BAP on the user as well], but for one ton that kind of pinpoint damage was amazing. Even at that risk it would still have been sought after, unfortunately they typically had faulty cooling jackets, too, and even with the great pinpoint focused damage, 5 damage at the risk of 4 to 5 heat in addition to the other benefits made the weapon quickly fall out of favor.

Sadly weapon variants can't be covered in tabletop as they would need a 500 page book just to cover the laser variants, let alone the AC, missile, Mech mortar, etc. variants.

Currently a Rotary AC in Battletech is what we have in MWO for a lot less weight.

Edited by Koniving, 04 September 2014 - 08:26 AM.

[PACoFist]

nonnex, on 04 September 2014 - 05:31 AM, said:

My speculation for upcoming features in Sept. would be the following:

That is a dragon.
The dragon already is in game?!