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[TimePeriod]

Alright, there's the deal.

CASE is useless.

This is not a discussion, this is a fact. Don't try to argue here, nobody uses it and nobody ever wants it.

NO, Don't argue with me. Its USELESS, PERIOD.

The only way I see for case to have ANY future use is to prevent the weapons themselves from getting destroyed once a piece of your 'Mech has its armour ripped off.

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Case should prevent a weapon from being damaged BEFORE the arm/torso is destroyed. This would (finally) give anyone a reason to use that garbage.

Q&A
Q: BUT TIME! This is not cannon! D:< TT NAOW!
A: [redacted], that's how I make it cannon.

Q: But this would make the game horribly unbalanced.
A: Case weights ½ a ton, get over it. Many a'Mech carry most of their weapons in their ST's.

Q: *Insert any kind of reason*
A: I don't give a damn. I'm tired of my Stalker-M turning into a 90 ton meatsheild once a FLD blows up my LT.

Edited by Egomane, 22 August 2014 - 10:58 PM.
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[WarHippy]

[redacted]

I was going to respond in detail, but reading through your post you come off as unreasonable, and hardly worth the effort to discuss something with. Try taking the nonsense out of your post and start a reasonable discussion instead of this overly aggressive tripe.

Edited by Egomane, 22 August 2014 - 10:58 PM.
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[Joseph Mallan]

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You really don't know what CASE is meant to do, do you?

Edited by Egomane, 22 August 2014 - 10:59 PM.
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[Lootee]

The 0 crit 0 ton CASE seems to work great for my Stormcrow's arm mounted gauss rifle.

Sucks to be you.

[Voidcrafter]

TimePeriod, on 22 August 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

~Arrogant, rude stuff that didn't make any sence~
~And I mean really. At all~
~At all.~

Case should prevent a weapon from being damaged BEFORE the arm/torso is destroyed. This would (finally) give anyone a reason to use that garbage.

~other stuff that really surpass in terms of senseless anything above the line above~

Now... I don't know if you actually know what CASE do, the way ammo explosions/weapon explosions work, the order the ammo in your mech's body is consumed and stuff, the fact, that there's zero point of using case on XL IS mech and the fact, that a CASE in the left(Yea left. Got a problem with that? Type "CASE MWO" in google --> first link and gaze uppon my imbah forseing intelligence and stuff ) torso of a STD engine is actually not a bad idea at all...
Buuut if we're gonna argue and you're gonna lose
And if you wish to argue while remaining uninformed, misinformed and arrogant - be my guest.
But before that, please, DO type CASE MWO and google and spent ~3 secs brainstorming after seeing the armor consumption order okay?

kthnxbye.

Edit: as for what I've actually quoted - it's actually good idea. Really good one at that - in my opinion.
You should've found just a tiiiiny bit better way to put it mate.

Edited by Voidcrafter, 22 August 2014 - 12:47 PM.

[EyeOne]

TimePeriod, on 22 August 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

Case should prevent a weapon from being damaged BEFORE the arm/torso is destroyed. This would (finally) give anyone a reason to use that garbage.

*edit: nevermind, I don't care*

Edited by EyeOne, 22 August 2014 - 12:46 PM.

[C E Dwyer]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 August 2014 - 12:29 PM, said:

You really don't know what CASE is meant to do, do you?

no he doesn't ..
Finally found someone who might even be worse then the

I'm not wasting space and weight on my lurm boat with a Tag, nerf ECM.
or
I'm not wasting space on my mech with AMS and ammo nerf LRMs

Crowd

[Scratx]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 August 2014 - 12:29 PM, said:

You really don't know what CASE is meant to do, do you?

Indeed he doesn't, though I'll grant that CASE is almost useless... Gauss Rifle aside, ammunition explosions are so unlikely that using a critical slot and half a ton to avoid an ammo explosion propagating into the CT is wasteful.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

I find for IS mechs that storing ammo in the legs and not skimping on the leg armor makes CASE a bit pointless. And even if we made these changes it would still be pointless compared to proper ammo placement.

[VanillaG]

The only way that you could remain close true spirit of CASE would be to either reduce or eliminate any damage from ammo or weapons explosions in that section not just preventing the damage transfer. For example, CASE would add a "-75% reduction in ammo/weapon explosion damage" to the section that contained CASE. The quirk would only be for IS because that would mean that Clan mechs would be immune from ammo explosions.

[Scratx]

VanillaG, on 22 August 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

The only way that you could remain close true spirit of CASE would be to either reduce or eliminate any damage from ammo or weapons explosions in that section not just preventing the damage transfer. For example, CASE would add a "-75% reduction in ammo/weapon explosion damage" to the section that contained CASE. The quirk would only be for IS because that would mean that Clan mechs would be immune from ammo explosions.

You mean you want the IS to have CASE II?

[TimePeriod]

[redacted]

Read. It sometimes helps.

Edited by Egomane, 22 August 2014 - 11:00 PM.
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[Joseph Mallan]

Scratx, on 22 August 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Indeed he doesn't, though I'll grant that CASE is almost useless... Gauss Rifle aside, ammunition explosions are so unlikely that using a critical slot and half a ton to avoid an ammo explosion propagating into the CT is wasteful.

I find it almost useless more cause there is no R&R than it redirecting explosive damage away from spreading to my more tender bits!

[VanillaG]

Scratx, on 22 August 2014 - 12:58 PM, said:

You mean you want the IS to have CASE II?

Yes. The only reason to take CASE in TT was to reduce repair costs. Since we don't have repair costs might as well make it do something useful for XL equiped mechs in regards to making your side torso last longer if you have ammo in it.

[Scratx]

TimePeriod, on 22 August 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

Q: *Insert any kind of reason*
A: I don't give a damn. I'm tired of my Stalker-M turning into a 85 ton meatsheild once a FLD blows up my LT.

Well, I'm putting on my trollface now. But first, Fixed that for you.

Now that I fixed it, there is a very simple solution to your problem!

You don't want to be an 85 ton meatshield once you lose a side torso? Your solution is an extra-light engine!!! Guaranteed to relax all your limbs (quite terminally) anytime you lose half of your torso!

Warning : Does not come with built-in entertainment system or recreational substances to amuse the pilot.

Edited by Scratx, 22 August 2014 - 01:06 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

TimePeriod, on 22 August 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

Read. It sometimes helps.

They are reading. But they may be doing it literally. Cannon... A big ballistic weapon. Canon... A fictitious story's continuity. There is a fine difference between the two.

[1453 R]

Hey.

Hey, hey.

Heeeeeeeey.

Hey, Time.

...if you don't want to lose your main weapon in a single-hardpoint-centric design like Misery, maaaaaaaaybe try torso twisting. Y'know, just a thing.

Also being a [redacted] on the forums isn't likely to convince anyone that completely redesigning CASE to provide critical hit invulnerability in a torso section is a good idea. Frankly, I don't think much of anything would convince someone that half a ton and one slot of "you are now immune to crits in this location" is really a good idea. It might be just a little twitchy bit outstandingly busted. Jus' sayin'.

Edited by Egomane, 22 August 2014 - 11:01 PM.
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[Egomane]

TimePeriod, on 22 August 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

NO, Don't argue with me. Its USELESS, PERIOD.

Then why create thread on a forum in the first place? A forum exists to argue and discuss.

Please take another look at our code of conduct. Try to follow it in the future and refrain from creating further unconstructive topics like this. I also need to advise you, to treat your fellow players with more respect and to cut down on the bad language, or you will get into real trouble with the moderation team.

Thread closed!