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[InspectorG]

stjobe, on 30 August 2014 - 08:26 AM, said:

That attitude is why we still have people complaining about getting killed by LRMs.

If not for yourself, take it to help your team.

Sorry, THATS the poor attitude. AMS is a waste except maybe on an assault that has extra weight to spare. In all my play, i have never once equipped AMS.

The BEST way to keep teammates from getting killed from LRMs is to aggressively/intelligently attack and deplete the other teams numbers thus reducing their damage output.

Which pug is more likely to win? The one with a three kill lead? Or the team with more AMS?

Some builds do not have room for AMS anyway you cut it.
So if i roll in my Hunchback G with 3ml and an AC20, should i use an AMS at the expense of AC20 ammo?
How many enemies will AMS kill?

LRMs are at best a support weapon, they are inefficient. They require a lock, much travel time, and spread damage.
Compare that to Dual Gauss+ppc, AC+ppc, etc, the META
How many LRMs were used in comp play?

People cry about LRM because they dont understand whats happening to them. Carrying an AMS blankie to bed at night wont solve the problem.
Learning to use cover, keep moving, apply pressure, THAT fixes the problem.

Example:If your team is deathballed up behind the ridge and no eneimes are in sight, and you are getting LRM'ed to death...
The FIRST problem is the deathball sitting there DOING NOTHING.
Second problem is the lone Raven sitting behind you providing locks.
AMS wont solve either.

AMS give the illusion of safety. That is false, you are never safe. The better attitude is: how much efficient damage can i inflict before i die.

And besides, if everyone used AMS, the LRM users would cry that AMS is OP, making a less useful weapon even less useful.
You still get QQ.

Why not just encourage people to become better players and not rely on a crutch?

[stjobe]

InspectorG, on 30 August 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

In all my play, i have never once equipped AMS.

Yet you speak with absolute certainty about it, having "never once equipped" it.

InspectorG, on 30 August 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

Why not just encourage people to become better players

This is a worthwhile and laudable goal, especially if doing so by telling them what works and what doesn't work. AMS works.

If you're having problems with LRMs, mounting an AMS is one of the steps you need to take. Others include, but are not limited to:
* Mounting an ECM or taking advantage of team mates' ECM.
* Using cover intelligently.
* Not exposing yourself needlessly.
* Finding that spotter and denying him LoS.
* Shooting down UAVs.

Killing the enemy is the goal; mounting an AMS helps you achieve that goal by making the enemy LRMs less efficient.

InspectorG, on 30 August 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

and not rely on a crutch?

AMS is not a crutch, it's another tool in your toolbox. Used correctly, it can deny the enemy LRM kills.

A dead 'mech kills no enemies; AMS can help you live longer and thus deal more damage and get more kills.

[InspectorG]

stjobe, on 30 August 2014 - 10:08 AM, said:

Yet you speak with absolute certainty about it, having "never once equipped" it.

Yet i rarely die from LRM rainstorms. Mind you, at best im just an average skill player. I just try to follow the advice of keep moving, use cover, pick good shots, dont bottleneck, avoid the center. I dont hear much mention by really good players to bring my AMS.

On my Hunchback G, what should i sacrifice to get AMS and its ammo? Is 2 tons AC ammo enough?

On my Spiders? Sacrifice top speed? Sacrifice weapons on a weapon starved mech? Armor?

On my Commandos? Sacrifice speed and weapons? TDK may have space but does it have a hardpoint-cant remember.

On my Catapult K2 (2xAC10, ppc, 300xl)?

On my Jenners? Ditch 2 ml for an AMS?

On my Kitfox? Ditch the computer on my 3erml, UAC5? Ditch the ECM?
Ditch ammo on my SRM24 Kitfox? Ditch armor on an up close brawler?

Does AMS help 'the team' when i go off to scout?
Does AMS help when i go off to backstab a lone assault?
Does AMS help if i go off with 1-2 other lights to go wolfpack?
Does the 'TEAMS' AMS help me when i do these things?

AMS also gives away your position.

The AMS helps the team argument is flawed.
It may help slow heavies and assaults, they are welcome to take their own.

But sorry, i cant see the benefit of AMS.

[Zepster]

It gets sooo old listening to people whine about this weapon or that. Everything in this game has a counter people just refuse to learn how to use them and instead come to forums and WHINE incessantly for nerfs..........