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[Chadamir Fitzkrieg]

Has anyone actually ever conducted zellbrigen successfully? It's sure as hell difficult to accomplish in a game with 20 other players either out there for an easy kill during a duel or simply people ignorant to what zellbrigen even is.

[Vassago Rain]

Yes, many times.

[Bacl]

Impossible, i try when i m on my Whale, when i start pounding someone that was mint there is always a teammate trying to support me... This kill the the Zellbrigen on the spot, so then i need to find another target because he basically stole it from me...

Implementing a fonction on clan mechs that would weapon jam weapons if your target if already engaged with a fellow clanner ( if he locked his target maybe?)would provoke a perfect storm of shiat on the forums. Even tho its Lore accurate...

[Chadamir Fitzkrieg]

Vassago Rain, on 30 August 2014 - 03:58 AM, said:

Yes, many times.

My question is, how? Genuine question

[Gnume]

Private Match ...

[Vassago Rain]

Chadamir Fitzkrieg, on 30 August 2014 - 04:19 AM, said:

My question is, how? Genuine question

You challenge known qualities to single combat. Many times, pubbies try to interfere, but just as many times, the spectators murder them after their first shot.

I get most of my challenges on forest colony. Walk to a set spot, fight it out.

[Chadamir Fitzkrieg]

CaptRosha, on 30 August 2014 - 04:21 AM, said:

Private Match ...

Not everyone has the premium time. Nor is that nearly as exciting as going against a stranger while doing drops

Vassago Rain, on 30 August 2014 - 04:26 AM, said:

You challenge known qualities to single combat. Many times, pubbies try to interfere, but just as many times, the spectators murder them after their first shot.

I get most of my challenges on forest colony. Walk to a set spot, fight it out.

Cool, I think the issue for me everytime is that the spectators interfere too regularly for me

[Bishop Steiner]

Bacl, on 30 August 2014 - 04:14 AM, said:

Implementing a fonction on clan mechs that would weapon jam weapons if your target if already engaged with a fellow clanner ( if he locked his target maybe?)would provoke a perfect storm of shiat on the forums. Even tho its Lore accurate...

that is lore accurate, how?

Also, the Clans all hold the right to break Zell against opponents deemed dishonorable. How would you provide this function?

[beerandasmoke]

I have seen it happen twice. Once on Mordor where specific coordinates were given and another clanpilot accepted but it was at the first of the match and everyone was fighting in the caldera.

Another time was between 2 IS pilots where a 1vs1 was respected. A pilot on our team called out an enemy player for a purposeful TK in a previous match. The enemy pilot proceeded to spam chat with degrading insults including some about his mother. At the end of the match the troll was the only one left against 9 of us and we had him surronded. The guy he insulted called out in chat " hes mine no one touch him!" We all stepped back, formed a circle and watched them duel. Friendly player was in an Orion brawler and the troll a boomjager. Fight was underneath the platform on Redsea. Not a shot was fired by the spectators and the guy in the Orion left that troll a smoking wreck. One of the most epic things ive seen ingame.

If your going to offer zell then it would probably work best on a large map with coordinates to the fight away from the usual points of contact. Otherwise your going to get interfernce from people attempting to killsteal or others who just ignore chat.

Edited by beerandasmoke, 30 August 2014 - 05:38 AM.

[SpiralFace]

The clans only adhered to zellbriggand strictly during the initial invasion.

After Wocott, and the ilkhan getting killed by an enemy Kamikaze'ing into the bridge of the ship, many of the invading clans where quick to drop the practice the second the IS dropped it when the invasion renewed. With only the new clans (Novacat, steel viper, and Dimond Shark,) being the only ones that actually still adhered to it. (Something that even they stopped doing after the comguards abused them at Tukayyid for those tactics.)

After that, they LIKE to do it whenever they can, but for the most part, its not a practice that they really adhear to after the initial invasion so I don't think its really worth throwing in this game.

[Bacl]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 August 2014 - 04:51 AM, said:

that is lore accurate, how?

Also, the Clans all hold the right to break Zell against opponents deemed dishonorable. How would you provide this function?

No the fonction itself is not lore accurate but it would impose the Zell that is since 2 clan mechs shouldnt be able to shoot the same target.
Also for the dishonorable part i agree it is there but even with that, after the first years of invasion the IS started to beat the Clans because they were using the conditions of the battlefield to their advantage; outnumbering the clans, multiple lines of fire ( toughest mechs in front while lrm boats rain on the clanners duelist, not very fair), traps and ambush tactics set in advance using terrain.

IS is winning using more or less dirty tactics. Slowly their tech manages to be on the same level than clans but until that happens well they were exploiting the Zellbringen honorable side.

[Trainwreck]

What people forget is why Zell was brought about in the first place after the Amaris rebellion the sucessor wars saw the destruction of massive amounts of infrastructure and technology.Kerensky's clans started the acts of batchall and zellbringen to ritualize warfare and protect the assets needed to make war. In truth the clans didn't make war more like Roman gladiatorial combat they ritualized it and tried to remove much of the loss incurred during war and thereby removing many of wars horrifying aspects. The Clans needed to be reminded of those horrors, hence the two operations Bulldog and Serpent I believe, Where they annihilated Clan Smoke Jaguar, and pushed the Clans back in the IS forcing a more permanent truce between them.

While honor is an extremely admirable trait, when it comes to war, it is more about survival than honor, you don't fight fair, you fight to win sometimes honor comes along with that and sometimes it doesn't. To me "Honorable Combat" mean's I'm handicapping myself and in a life or death situation I intend to be the one who's walking away. I for one do not believe its dirty to do what you have to in order to live.

[Xarian]

Bacl, on 30 August 2014 - 05:56 AM, said:

No the fonction itself is not lore accurate but it would impose the Zell that is since 2 clan mechs shouldnt be able to shoot the same target.

Yeah, that's not what it means at all.

Battles are not a series of 1v1 duels.

[Bacl]

I am not delusional and i know that the Zell will not be implemented by any ways in this game and knowing PGI i know that if they tried it would result in a event like Ghost Heat, Weapon Linkage and 3rd person view.

I tried to follow the clan way of fighting but unless your entire team does the smae you wont be able to apply the Zellbringen properly...

[Fantastic Tuesday]

I'm sorry, but when you guys talk about trying to use Zellbrigen in a PUG match...

Edited by Fantastic Tuesday, 30 August 2014 - 09:21 AM.

[El Bandito]

Chadamir Fitzkrieg, on 30 August 2014 - 03:49 AM, said:

Has anyone actually ever conducted zellbrigen successfully? It's sure as hell difficult to accomplish in a game with 20 other players either out there for an easy kill during a duel or simply people ignorant to what zellbrigen even is.

Yes, I just ask for it at the beginning of the match and trust the other team to uphold their honor.