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[Saint Scarlett Johan]

The Mariks have Marik Monday Madness and the Steine hub has Drunk Drop Friday. They have never been an issue because you're more often pitted against than with or your Elo is different enough that you rarely see them at all.

Kjudoon, on 30 August 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

Or is this in some way an attempt to silence me for religious reasons?

This is why no one takes Christians seriously. Cut that out, you make the rest of us look bad.

[ApolloKaras]

Lord Scarlett Johan of Yazoo, on 30 August 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

The Mariks have Marik Monday Madness and the Steine hub has Drunk Drop Friday. They have never been an issue because you're more often pitted against than with or your Elo is different enough that you rarely see them at all.



This is why no one takes Christians seriously. Cut that out, you make the rest of us look bad.

Don't let him bait you down that path, he's trolling.

[Sandpit]

Evidence is not "cause I said so"

Saxie, on 30 August 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

What shocks me is that the Seraphim have no problem with you talking about this in an open forum.

Why? PGI (paul specifically) said it's not illegal

[psihius]

Sync dropping is not an issue here, it's the intelligence of some and for the most part the casual attitude to the "big robot stomping game" and the fact that MM really puts some very fresh low elo players on your side due to you being above the average ELO (I only suspect that). Why I say that? Well, I see a pattern unfolding for last 3 to 4 months - I have a day or two of plenty of successful or nail bitingly close matches (like on the edge - imagine 2 guys out of ammo and barely alive running half the map from a long-range direwolf and trying to stay alive for the win on a match timeout - barely made it) and then the game changes - a 0-12 - 4-12 looses all round on a grand scale. Sometimes it lasts a day or two, sometimes you have to grind your way out for 3 to 4 days and resort to building a 4-6 man group at least from assaults and heavies, bond the group and start just abusing every aspect we can on the fits, arty, focus fire, jump sniping, cheese build - anything to somehow make for the fact that we can essentially miss like 3 to 6 guys that die in 30 seconds of the contact with the enemy, so the game does not s**k for us totaly. And people just get frustrated so much that we may just not play for a few days at all - not because we don't want to or don't like the game - it is just mentally unbearable to watch your teammates do horribly stupid things. We had the lead 8-4 and our lance just died because we were on the front line - well, 80% that you will lose anyway because those 8 imbeciles in pretty good state are unable to kill 4 pretty shaken up enemy mech's. Just mental.
In a proper game, when I'm not set up with derps - I'm pretty decent pilot - usually at the top levels of the score board. I even do comparably well in bad games too.

But man, the way I see it, the ELO system just rockets you so high, that it starts to pair you with so low elo players that it is unbearable, until you drop yourself low enough that you are matched with middle-level players again with whom you can play as a team, who listen to orders or are taking the command by themselves. What I want and need is the MM not to put me with too low elo players that have terrible efficiency or just derping around doing what they want and just getting stomped over by the decent players on the enemy team. And you can't do much against a focused fire from 3 to 6 enemy mech's no matter how high your elo is.

Elo has a design flaw - it is unable to distinguish between a low elo player that just started to play and makes progress and a moron, that does not care - he just drives a robot, shoots things and does not care about the result. And, to my amusement, there are a lot of people like that. Maybe the private matches and leagues just syphoned off so much advanced players from the solo and group queue that the system is just unable to find adequate amount of same range elo players for you to play with.

Edited by psihius, 30 August 2014 - 04:51 PM.

[Kjudoon]

Saxie, on 30 August 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

Its the attempt that bothers me. We have quite a few people at the Templars too, some 60-70 truly active. I define active as at least a few hours a day, however we promote team drops not solo drops. I'm sure if we lined everyone up and dropped solo we'd be in the same situation - however we group up in the group queue.

Then the problem is you, not us. You do not own the Solo queue. THose of equal elo value are matching with each other, some with some against. The most fun is finding out who you're dropping with or against, and trust me, there is no quarter given just because they're Seraphim. We love giving our brother and sister pilots noogies and they just love coming after 'porkchops' like me and the colonel.

We play with the same intensity against each other that we do against any other foe because IT IS FOR FUN! And the unknown alliances and enemies is part of it when it's 'family'.

I'm sorry you're upset about something that doesn't violate the rules, but lots of things upset me about things that don't violate the rules either.

[Kjudoon]

Saxie, on 30 August 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

Don't let him bait you down that path, he's trolling.

I asked a serious question. That is not trolling, and it was brought into question because of the obvious hostility towards my unit that I'm wondering has an underlying cause. You say imply it's not, so I'll take it at that.

[ApolloKaras]

Kjudoon, on 30 August 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

I asked a serious question. That is not trolling, and it was brought into question because of the obvious hostility towards my unit that I'm wondering has an underlying cause. You say imply it's not, so I'll take it at that.

You're attempting to invoke something that has zero bearing in the conversation. You're attempting to side step an argument by pulling a religion card, and I'm not going to let you do it. Grasping at something because your position is largely indefensible. If the Seraphim (and I speak SOLEY for myself) have fun rofl stomping in pugs that's their business. Have fun in the 'solo queue'.

Edited by Saxie, 30 August 2014 - 04:55 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Saxie, on 30 August 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

You're attempting to invoke something that has zero bearing in the conversation. You're attempting to side step an argument by pulling a religion card, and I'm not going to let you do it. Grasping at something because your position is largely indefensible. If the Seraphim (and I speak SOLEY for myself) have fun rofl stomping in pugs that's their business. Have fun in the 'solo queue'.

And what of the players who have fun playing against Him and his unit in the PUG Que? Such as myself.

[Kjudoon]

Saxie, on 30 August 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

You're attempting to invoke something that has zero bearing in the conversation. You're attempting to side step an argument by pulling a religion card, and I'm not going to let you do it. Grasping at something because your position is largely indefensible. If the Seraphim (and I speak SOLEY for myself) have fun rofl stomping in pugs that's their business. Have fun in the 'solo queue'.

Roflstomping? Hardly! Most times it's a fairly close match. I think I've seen only a couple matches that were not 6+ kills on both sides. My last 2 matches, I was the last guy standing versus one other Seraphim and 3 other guys who blew me to pieces as I tried to get to a better tactical positions. This assumption that it's always roflstomps is highly facetious and without merit.

Then again, I'm often the last guy standing... may not win, but it's frequent because of my play style regardless of my teammates.

It seems that we are at an impasse without a higher authority making the decision. Your opinion is that Sync Drops are wrong/immoral/evil/contemptible. My opinion is that is just not so. Till PGI makes a ruling, they are only opinions with just as much authority as an opinion.

The only thing that can poison a sync drop is the intent of someone doing it. If people are doing it deliberately to troll people (and being together by deliberation or accident is not automatically trolling) as you are claiming. On the other hand, you COULD do a sync drop in an effort to harm people's games if that is your intent, but that's an issue of intent, not in mechanics.

I don't see me changing your mind, but I will use the opportunity to put a rational argument out about it till a higher authority comes in and deals with this issue. Till then, I've advised my pilots to screenshot teamkillers and ingame chat trollers for reporting. Those are already violations of TOS clearly laid out. If PGI adds sync drops to the list and finds a way to prevent accidentally dropping together as a team... we will do something else.

Edited by Kjudoon, 30 August 2014 - 05:11 PM.

[Koniving]

That Dire wolf got a thousand+ damage and almost no kills? Someone's boating AC/2s or LRMs or just awful at aiming. Must be Clan ER Larges.

If not for the only good player on the enemy team, both teams were pretty well matched. You did have a few useless members though who probably met their fates quickly or did something stupid, however.

[Vandul]

Raven 4x, 26 damage, anecdotal evidence, I like this guy. Hes got promise.

[ApolloKaras]

Kjudoon, on 30 August 2014 - 05:03 PM, said:

Roflstomping? Hardly!

I don't see me changing your mind, but I will use the opportunity to put a rational argument out about it till a higher authority comes in and deals with this issue. Till then, I've advised my pilots to screenshot teamkillers and ingame chat trollers for reporting. Those are already violations of TOS clearly laid out. If PGI adds sync drops to the list and finds a way to prevent accidentally dropping together as a team... we will do something else.

A few things here. If you are attempting to sync and are not roflstomping with you have a 4 man, you seriously need to look at the drop comp.

Rational argument? This coming from the person who stated I was calling you out and attempting to silence you for religious reasons...


also... that funny moment when you (Kjudoon) realize you're debating with another Catholic.

[Kjudoon]

Saxie, on 30 August 2014 - 05:19 PM, said:

A few things here. If you are attempting to sync and are not roflstomping with you have a 4 man, you seriously need to look at the drop comp.

Rational argument? This coming from the person who stated I was calling you out and attempting to silence you for religious reasons...


also... that funny moment when you (Kjudoon) realize you're debating with another Catholic.

No, I asked whether or not this was a reason. I wanted to see if it's true. Also, I am not Catholic and since it is against TOS here on MWO, I suggest we let that part of the conversation walk away.

I find it interesting to see it stated that if we are not roflstomping... we must be syncdropping wrong. That's an odd criticism... one that seems based on the idea that we must not be good players. We don't roflstomp and we don't make dropdecks for this kind of stuff. We run what we want, how we want where we want. There is no coordination beyond 3..2...1.. drop. After that, it's up to elo and random chance for who we face, if we face each other at all. Those are randoms we cannot control.

I should point out, roflstomping does not always mean we lost. Often these are some excellent matches down to the last minute and 4 players who aren't always our teammates. I know in one match I snuffed two fellow Seraphim who got too overextended. THen one of my own almost took me out but got kill snaked a minute later. THey didn't hold back, and the match came down to like an 8-12 loss for us.

I understand you're not going to agree with me. So it's time to end this. Nothing we say here is going to change the minds of each other on what is happening. Only PGI is. And if you join the hunt as some lone wolves have and teamkill or harrass... well I'd hate to have to file a support claim on you too as we've been doing to those who are violating the rules with teamkills, team treason and harrassment.

Okay? Can we let it drop or not?

[Sandpit]

That's what I don't get. Players are arguing with each other when there's no argument to be had. It's not illegal. That should end any "you shouldn't do it" argument from the start.
If pgi reverses their ruling then it should be reported and punished. At this point and time there is zero foundation fot any player here to point fingers and berate, belittle, or otherwise speak negatively about anyone doing it

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

So you guys ended up defending the obvious broken MM? Omy this community cries when marginally stuff like 3rd person view gets added but defends pgi when ever something is obviously broken.

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 30 August 2014 - 05:59 PM.

[Sandpit]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 30 August 2014 - 05:58 PM, said:

So you guys ended up defending the obvious broken MM? Omy this community cries when marginally stuff like 3rd person view gets added but defends pgi when ever something is obviously broken.

Maybe you missed my post above yours?
Not only is pgi fully aware of sync drops but they publicly stated it's not illegal. Our opinion of that is completely irrelevant.

Do you argue with a judge over a speeding ticket because you don't agree with the speed limit?
Even if you did it wouldn't change the rule.

So instead of trying to berate or belittle other players that are following the official rule wouldn't your time be better spent making a case to pgi about changing the rule?

Edited by Sandpit, 30 August 2014 - 06:05 PM.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Sandpit, on 30 August 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

Maybe you missed my post above yours?
Not only is pgi fully aware of sync drops but they publicly stated it's not illegal. Our opinion of that is completely irrelevant.

Do you argue with a judge over a speeding ticket because you don't agree with the speed limit?
Even if you did it wouldn't change the rule.

So instead of trying to berate or belittle other players that are following the official rule wouldn't your time be better spent making a case to pgi about changing the rule?

Uff you shouldnt think everything whats written here is written to you. i did read the first few pages.

You sound a bit stressed.. take a break from the forum bud

[Joseph Mallan]

Sandpit, on 30 August 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

So instead of trying to berate or belittle other players that are following the official rule wouldn't your time be better spent making a case to pgi about changing the rule?

But that makes sense Sand! Nobody wants to hear that!

[Sandpit]

Joseph Mallan, on 30 August 2014 - 06:10 PM, said:

But that makes sense Sand! Nobody wants to hear that!

Thanks for proving my point.

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 30 August 2014 - 06:08 PM, said:

Uff you shouldnt think everything whats written here is written to you. i did read the first few pages.

You sound a bit stressed.. take a break from the forum bud

[Thrudvangar]

yeah i did 26 damage because we got overwhelmed almost every game.

yeah it was only 6 in a row, then i stopped playing. i've had higher loss streaks
than 15 in a row the days before. i just dont get this god damn matchmaker.

out of 100 games i get like 5 wich are close, everything else are stomps.

Vandul, on 30 August 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

Raven 4x, 26 damage, anecdotal evidence, I like this guy. Hes got promise.

maybe you can't read or just watched the screenshot.for you: i started leveling the Raven 4X, no basics, no upgrades, no xl engine.try this against stomp teams who kills everything within 3 minutes.