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[StillRadioactive]

Illegal Username, on 22 September 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

There is no WoL resurgence. There are just a few of us who are so homo4robo that we cannot help but stalk through the dead, hollow cities of MWO and its broken promises of space robot glory.

WoL is dead. Long live WoL.

Wait wait wait... TRACKBALL?


One of these has been my trusty steed for over a decade of gaming, MWO included.

Always a pleasure to see another trackballer on the battlefield.

[HARDKOR]

I miss my trackball. Will goons give me a trackball?

[BlakeAteIt]

No, we are using them.

[Creovex]

Didn't the GOONS get spanked in Planetside2 by Buzzcutpsycho and The Enclave???

[BlakeAteIt]

http://mwomercs.com/...avion-refugees/

http://mwomercs.com/...-news-dispatch/

[Paramemetic]

I honestly haven't figured out the goon hate since I thought we were pretty reasonable in the Before Times and this game thus far does not give us the option to win it like we won Eve. I mean, I say "we" but I played Eve for like a month in 2007. I mean, is it because we won Eve? Is it really because we squawk?

Because if it's the squawking, that's awesome, just consider it our form of "o7".

I am a bird man and I cannot articulate my arm into a salute sorry.

Squawk.

[Noesis]

Signing on as a long standing member of Trackball Anonymous.

[wanderer]

Paramemetic, on 27 December 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I honestly haven't figured out the goon hate since I thought we were pretty reasonable in the Before Times and this game thus far does not give us the option to win it like we won Eve. I mean, I say "we" but I played Eve for like a month in 2007. I mean, is it because we won Eve? Is it really because we squawk?

Fear of a Goon planet, apparently.

[BlakeAteIt]

Butte Hold is the only true Goon Planet.

[xMEPHISTOx]

Paramemetic, on 27 December 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I honestly haven't figured out the goon hate since I thought we were pretty reasonable in the Before Times and this game thus far does not give us the option to win it like we won Eve. I mean, I say "we" but I played Eve for like a month in 2007. I mean, is it because we won Eve? Is it really because we squawk?

Because if it's the squawking, that's awesome, just consider it our form of "o7".

I am a bird man and I cannot articulate my arm into a salute sorry.

Squawk.

Yeah, EVE is where the goon hatred sprouts from I think. But in all reality they are good for the game as they make it more interesting and funny as well. In WoT I thought they, were great fun to have around and when I was with NUKE we worked with them in the conquering of western/southern Europe, and they were very good/loyal allies (NDP/STUG/SGLE) as well as very skilled tankers to boot.
So yeah its a shame that so many jump on the goon hate bandwagon, a lot of which probably have no personal reason to do so.

[BlakeAteIt]

Nah man, it's cool. It's fun to play the bad guys.

[Jakob Knight]

Paramemetic, on 27 December 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

I honestly haven't figured out the goon hate since I thought we were pretty reasonable in the Before Times and this game thus far does not give us the option to win it like we won Eve. I mean, I say "we" but I played Eve for like a month in 2007. I mean, is it because we won Eve? Is it really because we squawk?

Because if it's the squawking, that's awesome, just consider it our form of "o7".

I am a bird man and I cannot articulate my arm into a salute sorry.

Squawk.

As a player who was in Eve at the time the Goons were active, I think I can say the hatred the Goons have earned across every game stems from their entire devotion to destroying the gaming of other players any way they can. This was my personal experience, and I'm sure others have had their own. This isn't a case of bad sportsmanship, winning or losing, but that of a united, concerted, and dedicated goal of ruining every game they can get into in order to prove that they can.

The Goons don't play the bad guys. That assumes they are taking on a false role from what they truly are. Their actions in every game I have played, from Eve to STO, have uniformly demonstrated that they care only for how they can tear down every game they encounter.

They can make jest of it, because they see all games as nonsense and whims, to be used as tools for their own amusement, and all other gamers as fools to be mocked and ridiculed. There is nothing to be lost to them by playing the fool or the mock faction in a game, because it means nothing to them but another notch when they can disrupt it.

By being a Goon, or signing up with them, a player is forever stating their agreement with their philosophy that Gaming needs to be torn down and other players griefed in order for games to have any point in existing.

And that is why Goons have such hatred directed at them in every game.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 29 December 2014 - 08:07 PM.

[Rufus Landale]

Jakob you are so amazingly wrong there that you ought to be the mayor of Wrongtown.

[Morg McGee]

I've dropped with the Goons pretty regularly recently; they're pretty chill guys to shoot space robots with. They might've done Some **** on EVE, but around here, it seems like the only thing they're especially guilty of is piloting under the influence.

Edited by Morg McGee, 29 December 2014 - 08:51 PM.

[Grynos]

Jakob Knight, on 29 December 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

As a player who was in Eve at the time the Goons were active, I think I can say the hatred the Goons have earned across every game stems from their entire devotion to destroying the gaming of other players any way they can. This was my personal experience, and I'm sure others have had their own. This isn't a case of bad sportsmanship, winning or losing, but that of a united, concerted, and dedicated goal of ruining every game they can get into in order to prove that they can.

The Goons don't play the bad guys. That assumes they are taking on a false role from what they truly are. Their actions in every game I have played, from Eve to STO, have uniformly demonstrated that they care only for how they can tear down every game they encounter.

They can make jest of it, because they see all games as nonsense and whims, to be used as tools for their own amusement, and all other gamers as fools to be mocked and ridiculed. There is nothing to be lost to them by playing the fool or the mock faction in a game, because it means nothing to them but another notch when they can disrupt it.

By being a Goon, or signing up with them, a player is forever stating their agreement with their philosophy that Gaming needs to be torn down and other players griefed in order for games to have any point in existing.

And that is why Goons have such hatred directed at them in every game.

Sooooo because you were previously griefed , in a totally seperate game from this one. You are going to stereotype with prejudice every other member of WoL? Hmmm sounds like you need to take a long look in the mirror and sing " I Feel Pretty " .

Edited by Grynos, 29 December 2014 - 11:21 PM.

[Pat Kell]

Goons are funny, and fun to shoot, mainly because they can't seem to shoot back very well ....Goons...love the goons

[MischiefSC]

Goons in EVE =/ all Goons.

All teasing aside, Goons are just people from the Something Awful forums. To briefly nerd out on internet history and culture, Something Awful is one of the more influential communities in Internet history. 4chan, Encyclopedia Dramatica, all this stuff and what they are or became before they died can be traced back to Something Awful. It was one of the few places you could actually go and NOT get trolled, that was the real point of the subscription. Someone like Oneidas Mad Hatter (if you know that name you probably get it) would go there to troll, get banned and have to keep paying to get back in. So it refined the art of being a total unmitigated ******* to people and still playing by the rules of etiquette laid down in that environment.

They cut their teeth mocking the great exhibits that the budding interwebz 2.0 had to offer. There was a time when someone like chris chan was considered a crazy outlier. Admittedly today he could probably run for and win a seat in the US House of Representatives on the '**** You I'm A Dragon' ticket. They (and Portal of Evil) made digging such stuff up and throwing it front and center the amazing entertainment that spawned a lot of what is now 4chan (and the various other chan-kin) and absolutely planted the infernal seed that grew Encyclopedia Dramatica into what it became instead of what its creator wanted it to be. (Oh Internets.... oh really?)

You had to understand the rules on Something Awful and how to get around them without getting banned to get anywhere. No other sites were really like that. So it baked that 'if I can break it and get away with it then it's totally legit until someone fixes it' into its culture, so when that ran into EVE where if stuff was broken they went 'huh. Okay. Play with it broken' it was like waving a red flag in front of the most extreme members of the community. CCP was playing with genetic engineering with no breaks on and the monster that came out of it wasn't a product of Goons but CCPs decision to call people absolutely exploiting the **** out of the most broken mechanics they could find 'emergent gameplay'.

Those guys are not 'Goons'. They were started at some point by some people who took their 'Goons' title from Something Awful. At this point however I doubt if even a fraction of them have paid 10bux. They are an outgrowth of what happens when you leave the kids from Lord of the Flies on the island for 8 or 10 years, with regular airdrops of weapons, coke and porn. That's a product of CCPs decisions about EVE, not Something Awful or 'Goons' in general.

Goons have saved a lot of games. Love it or hate it, EVE exists because of their original influx when EVE was going into death-throws, different beast though they are now. A big influx of Goons into MWO about 2 years ago probably saved MW:O in the early days. They stick together and whatever else you can say they know the rules and how to break them without breaking them. Be that forum rules or game mechanics.

What is their impact on MW:O? Go to the Jettisoned Communication forum and see the wonky word used to describe the 'seriously, don't go here. Bad things happen here' section, then find out why it's named that. Tetatae are absolutely BT canon - just the canon that everyone hates the most. They showed up, found everything that was broken but being ignored, then stuffed that in everyones face. Nobody tried to fix it/change it, so clearly it's legit. Squwak has a funny story behind it, mocking one of the stupidest decisions in BT lore. It's a big, complex in-joke. It's also way more cool than 'ggclose'. One is mocking Battletech (for something it needs mocked over), the other is trying to mock you personally.

Be cool to your local Goons. They've probably done you a solid - even if it was by accident.

[Jakob Knight]

Grynos, on 29 December 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

Sooooo because you were previously griefed , in a totally seperate game from this one. You are going to stereotype with prejudice every other member of WoL? Hmmm sounds like you need to take a long look in the mirror and sing " I Feel Pretty " .

The person wanted to know why there is so much rage against Goons across -all- games, and felt it was because the haters had no personal experience with them. Then, because someone -has- personally experienced what Goons are in -multiple- games with -exactly- the same result, they are stereotyping, prejudiced (which is wrong as prejudiced indicates judgement without evidence or first hand knowledge, which I have stated I have) and can't be taken as reasonable? In fact, I think one of the definitions of unreasonability is to believe a different result will occur when using the same material in the same environment in the same activity, over and over again.

The one driving principle that makes Goons who they are is what I stated. This isn't conjecture, but their own stated goals. Their actions time and time again have proven this as well beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt. If they want to call themselves Goonswarm, Goonfleet, Starfleet Dental, or Word of Lowtax, the binding quality that makes a person join the Goons is that they are exactly what I have stated.

Those who think differently are the ones who need to take a shower and learn to think. That pic on the front post of this thread is the most honest portrayal of what kind of person a Goon player actually is inside, and anyone who joins them knows what they are choosing to be part of.

MischiefSC, on 30 December 2014 - 03:04 AM, said:

Goons have saved a lot of games. Love it or hate it, EVE exists because of their original influx when EVE was going into death-throws, different beast though they are now. A big influx of Goons into MWO about 2 years ago probably saved MW:O in the early days. They stick together and whatever else you can say they know the rules and how to break them without breaking them. Be that forum rules or game mechanics.

The idea that they have saved games by griefing players out of them and disrupting attempts by players and devs to make them better has always been an excuse used by the Goons to justify what they do. That isn't the case, but they like everyone to believe it, as it makes doing wrong right in their eyes.

The Goons destroy games. That is all they do, and all they want to do. Calling it saving them does not change what their actions do or their intent. 'Because I can' is the only form of morality to these people, so don't go attributing any form of noble goals to these players, just because a few times the results may have turned out to have a small benefit to those players left over in the wreckage.

Edited by Jakob Knight, 30 December 2014 - 03:30 AM.

[Vandul]

Cliff Yablonksi would not approve.

Im GTG though.

[Thorn Hallis]

I wish WoL would have the same number of players as they had 2 years ago. They would show PGI every error, flaw, loophole and bug in CW and they'd do it with a bang.