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[Metus regem]

40 damage in table top was ALOT of damage, since that was 20 points to two locations... A dire wolf had 47 armour front CT and 31 internal, but only 14 back armour on the CT...

You have to look at everything together rather than apples and oranges... if you would like the weapons brought upto where the armour is currently, then the AC 20, should be doing 40 damage. But then our mechs would be blown out from under us so fast, so armour was buffed to double while weapons were left alone for the most part.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

No. It will kill some clan mechs and make them totally unviable.

[Joseph Mallan]

On TT we could have a dire wolf with 5 lrg pulse and a targeting computer. 50 points pin point. It's old school for me to face players who can tear me a new one...and still win.

[Aresye]

Christof Romulus, on 12 September 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

Woah there, everyone calm down!

I own clan mechs too - I was merely suggesting something to try on the TEST server, nothing LIVE.

Also, if clan mechs ended up being too vulnerable, then perhaps the solution would be to undo some of the recent 'tweaks' to their weapons...

As for the majority of clan mechs coming into the game with max armor - that's less to the point than you think - How many of you use stock armor config on your clan mechs instead of rolling some of that rear armor to the front? Be honest =P

There's no need to test it live. It's completely illogical to think this would balance Clans and IS in any way, because the majority of problematic Clan mechs already run near max armor with just their stock armor configurations, and there's little need to tweak the armor at all.

The mechs you do have to tweak the armor on (Kit Fox, Summoner) aren't the mechs that are overpowered, so the only thing this attempt at balancing would do is make the Kit Fox unplayable, and the Summoner would be even more restricted on what it can carry than it already is.

Also, I pretty much use stock armor all the time. I may tweak my legs a little, but I've never reallocated from my back to front torsos.

[Joseph Mallan]

DV McKenna, on 12 September 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

No. It will kill some clan mechs and make them totally unviable.

I don't disagree but testing it is a way to prove how many would suck eggs.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 12 September 2014 - 10:58 AM.

[Hagoromo Gitsune]

Metus regem, on 12 September 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

40 damage in table top was ALOT of damage, since that was 20 points to two locations... A dire wolf had 47 armour front CT and 31 internal, but only 14 back armour on the CT...

You have to look at everything together rather than apples and oranges... if you would like the weapons brought upto where the armour is currently, then the AC 20, should be doing 40 damage. But then our mechs would be blown out from under us so fast, so armour was buffed to double while weapons were left alone for the most part.

Joseph Mallan, on 12 September 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

On TT we could have a dire wolf with 5 lrg pulse and a targeting computer. 50 points pin point. It's old school for me to face players who can tear me a new one...and still win.

So why not? Why than not just bring weapons in game to according values or reduce armor to LORE values. Would be more fun... especially when or if FFA mode comes out.
Besides I thing that giving an armor double strengt and litterally nerfed the weapons is a keystone where balance where broken in this game.

Edited by Hagoromo Gitsune, 12 September 2014 - 11:06 AM.

[EyeOne]

Christof Romulus, on 12 September 2014 - 10:16 AM, said:

Woah there, everyone calm down!

I own clan mechs too - I was merely suggesting something to try on the TEST server, nothing LIVE.

Also, if clan mechs ended up being too vulnerable, then perhaps the solution would be to undo some of the recent 'tweaks' to their weapons...

As for the majority of clan mechs coming into the game with max armor - that's less to the point than you think - How many of you use stock armor config on your clan mechs instead of rolling some of that rear armor to the front? Be honest =P

Well, that is true. I hadn't considered not allowing armor redistribution. However, it would still hurt the two weakest Clan mechs the most (I can't believe i just said that, I LOVE the Summoner, oh well).

[Augustus Martelus II]

Hagoromo Gitsune, on 12 September 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

LOL~WuuT!? They don't throw a dice?

Table-Top is/was ruining Battletech Universe. Skip dat crap and drag it to your mom.

Thx but my mom is sick.

But he ask tabletop armor, then weapon would need to be. And i m aint telling about dice we are talking about a computer game.

But if you want to follow the rules, then everything must follow the rules.

Metus regem, on 12 September 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

40 damage in table top was ALOT of damage, since that was 20 points to two locations... A dire wolf had 47 armour front CT and 31 internal, but only 14 back armour on the CT...

You have to look at everything together rather than apples and oranges... if you would like the weapons brought upto where the armour is currently, then the AC 20, should be doing 40 damage. But then our mechs would be blown out from under us so fast, so armour was buffed to double while weapons were left alone for the most part.

The problem is Ac20 shouldnt fire a single round that make a pinpoint damage....lot of mechs wouldnt survive a single shot.

Edited by Augustus Martelus II, 12 September 2014 - 11:29 AM.

[Christof Romulus]

Hmm, this thread is going in different directions...

I don't mean bring the armor down to table top values, just table top distribution.

I understand that the summoner doesn't really need another hit - and heck, let's start a thread about the Prime Variant, requesting that it be treated like Inner Sphere mechs, and just GIVE it another hardpoint or something.

However, all I wanted to do was TRY the armor lock idea - and if people want the original values for clan weapons too, let's try that at the same time. It's a TEST server, so let's test stuff...

[Hillslam]

How about PGI and clan customers do whatever the heck they want to with the clan mechs and give me the ability to fight on other borders of the map so I never have to waste my highly prized free time in game even dealing at all with the things?

That way all I have to do to avoid the QQ and butthurt of all the clan bleating and wailing completely is avoid the forums!

win win

Edited by Hillslam, 12 September 2014 - 11:33 AM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Ultimatum X, on 12 September 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

How about we stop finding ways to nerf clan mechs that are ridiculous and stick to small tweaks?

I agree.

Also I don't understand why people want anything nerfed. I mean asking for nerfs has to be ranked up there with standing in front of trains or dousing ones self with gasoline and smoking as far as stupid things to do because remember, what comes around, goes around. Eventually your favorite mech will get nerfed too if your not careful.

[Metus regem]

On top of that, they are Clan mechs, they are meant to out-class anything the IS can through at them right now, it takes about 5 years before the IS is really able to field anything that is close to giving a fair fight, and almost 10 years before they have anything that can do it reliably.

[Christof Romulus]

Metus regem, on 12 September 2014 - 12:25 PM, said:

On top of that, they are Clan mechs, they are meant to out-class anything the IS can through at them right now, it takes about 5 years before the IS is really able to field anything that is close to giving a fair fight, and almost 10 years before they have anything that can do it reliably.

So, here's the deal - yes Clan tech is more powerful, and even after 5 years, the Inner Sphere doesn't really field anything that holds a candle to them, by design.

From a lore standpoint that is perfectly acceptable. From a Table Top standpoint, I'm sure many TT players will tell you, the power creep was insane.

From a competitive game standpoint, where people play to win, this is unacceptable- if you have factions where one is simply outright superior, then there's no incentive to playing the weaker faction. I'm not saying that this needs to be the case, but in a game where you have new players who are playing a game that they thought was free (and most likely fair), then you have we players who have purchased Clan technology and regularly wipe the floor with those new players, you're going to see a LOT of turnover.

What that translates into is: no new players. I've attempted to play many games out there, where I log in, things are going great, and I think that I'm doing well, then some guy with all the epics he bought rolls me. I typically am frustrated and quit those games shortly after attempting to keep up with my 'free to play' tech - which is what should be AVOIDED. A system like that creates an ever decreasing player base, and nobody wants that.

So, this is why the Clans are being "balanced" to the inner sphere. If you're going to have a fight, it should be a FAIR fight.

In fact, JUST FOR GIGGLES, why not let's all create brand new accounts, or have real life friends who have never played Mechwarrior Online create new accounts, and go through the new-game experience that people who are just joining the game go through.

See how long you can rock a Standard-heatsink nearly stock inner sphere LIGHT, or a champion mech that's on rotation while being constantly bombarded with the Clan tech that you defend so vehemently. Hell that should be our next 'challenge' =P

[Pika]

Hagoromo Gitsune, on 12 September 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

Not really... we still having balance and lack of mechs/maps/game modes issues. This game is arcade, like WarThunder, so get used to, kids. And actually TT does ruined LORE a lot.

For exsample... AutoCannons in LORE. Nasty, powerfull as hell, but in TT-based games? 10-20 damage!? Are U fkin' joking???
KGC with dual AC20 just litterally was able to blew any mech out of it's pants... but in TT??? 2x20 damage...pfff. That is poor and rude against the lore. So forget that TT bullcrap, it's for f4ggets.

You say that like it's unique to the setting. In Warhammer 40K one Space Marine should be able to take on a full platoon of Guardsmen and not even break a sweat. In the TT game numbers always have the advantage.

It's a balance thing. Of COURSE they won't balance a game around it's lore, that'd be stupid. Very very stupid.

[Metus regem]

I don't mind one side being stronger than the other, I chose to roll with the clans, I have a peronal liking to them, more to the point Clan Ghost Bear, to hell with the green parrots.

When I was a fresh player, read 159 drops ago (when I first logged in) I got rolled by anything and everything, as time went by, I started to fight smarter not harder, now at 159 drops in game, I'm better than I was when I started, and I know to look for someone with their back exposed to me, doesn't matter if it's a Locust or a Dire Wolf, it's still going to burn from PPC and SRM vomit.

I used to run a crit monky Dragon 1C with a LBX in the arm, didn't kill much but carved up internals like a boss. As I said, fight smarter not harder.

[Lefty Lucy]

We don't need to test this out on the PTS because anyone can already see what the natural result will be:

already-marginal Clan chassis will be completely ignored in favor of the chassis that are already solid, and then you can throw the kitfox on top of the "who would use that who actually wants to win" pile too.