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[Joseph Mallan]

Mark Brandhauber, on 15 September 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

A council is a good idea but it will not be truly representative if it is only made up of north americans.

Very good point!

[Revis Volek]

Mahoromatic, on 14 September 2014 - 11:23 AM, said:

Will'ya just ....-off from here if you didn't learn the Reddit lesson. People got right to post their oppinion.

If you walked onto my lawn and started shouting instults i could tell you to GTFO or make you as well....This is THEIR house they may do as ask us to do as they please. I suggest you learn some manners. Freedom of speech also does not protect the right to insult someone.

Edited by DarthRevis, 15 September 2014 - 10:50 AM.

[Lala Satalin Deviluke]

EgoSlayer, on 15 September 2014 - 09:23 AM, said:

Um simple really - because players want to have input on changes rather than just having PGI make changes without player input. Or are you saying you like every change PGI has ever made? Because that makes no sense.

Level of responsibility still unknown. Don't waste people time with something what is not responsible for it's deeds.

[-Natural Selection-]

UnsafePilot, on 15 September 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

They've been sifting through the information themselves and the community consensus seems to be that it hasn't been working out in our best interest. This is an attempt to do it a different way to see if we can get different results. Simply saying that they should do it themselves over and over again isn't going to get us anywhere we haven't already gone.

So how are these people suppose to gather the information from the same players and read into it any different?

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it should not happen or that I am against it. Only that opinions and suggestions on the subject have well enough been aired over time. And just sitting down and actually reading through most of jett'ed post on it would probably suffice.

[Khobai]

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A council is a good idea but it will not be truly representative if it is only made up of north americans.

Same with gender/race/religion. We need a highly diverse multigender and multicultural council that represents all gender/races/religions. Otherwise its not truly representative.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Alot of people didn't read/understand how this was/is to work....

[-Natural Selection-]

Mark Brandhauber, on 15 September 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

A council is a good idea but it will not be truly representative if it is only made up of north americans.

I totally disagree. The best people for the spots are the best people. Not based on location or popularity. There is not a need to have token players so people don't feel left out.


Annnd, this is why I think this is going to turn into a bunch of rubbish..

Edited by Mickey Knoxx, 15 September 2014 - 10:51 AM.

[UnsafePilot]

Mickey Knoxx, on 15 September 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

So how are these people suppose to gather the information from the same players and read into it any different?

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it should not happen or that I am against it. Only that opinions and suggestions on the subject have well enough been aired over time. And just sitting down and actually reading through most of jett'ed post on it would probably suffice.

In my head the main difference is that a player council will actually read through the debate threads and pull the suggestions out instead of stopping after the hundredth slur filled anti-pgi post like the developers probably have.

What I know is that the current case is that we post here and they read through what they can and react as they feel is appropriate and that a large number of posters here haven't felt satisfied with the arrangement.

[Livewyr]

I am beginning to understand why dictators are necessary in some parts of the world.
(Though I still loathe them in concept.)


[Task Force] reads forums. (On subject matter)
[Task Force] applies ideas accordingly into a proposal.
Community votes on ideas.
[Task Force] Refines ideas based on votes.
Community votes on ideas. (However PGI wants to do it.)
Repeat until sufficiently satisfactory.
[Task Force] Pitches newly refined and concise ideas to PGI for vetting and potential implementation.

What on earth is the problem here?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?

[TLBFestus]

Khobai, on 15 September 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

Same with gender/race/religion. We need a highly diverse multigender and multicultural council that represents all gender/races/religions. Otherwise its not truly representative.

And.......it's doomed.


All-inclusive Political Correctness where no one should be left out and everyone needs to be "validated" and hugged just bugs the crap out of me.

All these guys will do it try to distill the essence of "change" into something the highly diverse multigender and multicultural Forum community can vote on. I'm sure hoping for a troll post here.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Livewyr, on 15 September 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

I am beginning to understand why dictators are necessary in some parts of the world.
(Though I still loathe them in concept.)


[Task Force] reads forums. (On subject matter)
[Task Force] applies ideas accordingly into a proposal.
Community votes on ideas.
[Task Force] Refines ideas based on votes.
Community votes on ideas. (However PGI wants to do it.)
Repeat until sufficiently satisfactory.
[Task Force] Pitches newly refined and concise ideas to PGI for vetting and potential implementation.

What on earth is the problem here?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?

But this task force they will ruin the game with their elitest ideas!!!!!!!!

[Joseph Mallan]

Livewyr, on 15 September 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

I am beginning to understand why dictators are necessary in some parts of the world.
(Though I still loathe them in concept.)


[Task Force] reads forums. (On subject matter)
[Task Force] applies ideas accordingly into a proposal.
Community votes on ideas.
[Task Force] Refines ideas based on votes.
Community votes on ideas. (However PGI wants to do it.)
Repeat until sufficiently satisfactory.
[Task Force] Pitches newly refined and concise ideas to PGI for vetting and potential implementation.

What on earth is the problem here?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?

In short. Player X is not on the Task Force So Player X wants it to fail.

[EboneezeeR]

Khobai, on 15 September 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

Same with gender/race/religion. We need a highly diverse multigender and multicultural council that represents all gender/races/religions. Otherwise its not truly representative.

Mickey Knoxx, on 15 September 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

I totally disagree. The best people for the spots are the best people. Not based on location or popularity. There is not a need to have token players so people don't feel left out.


Annnd, this is why I think this is going to turn into a bunch of rubbish..

Mark Brandhauber, on 15 September 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

A council is a good idea but it will not be truly representative if it is only made up of north americans.

Ahhh....ere we go. So that's is where it's all gona went. Race/Nation/Religion segregation. Nice job Russ, community will soon starts to kill each other IRL just to get voted/elected.

You guys are dumb for real if you think that Council will make any change into whats happening in MWO. I still didn't saw any ideas how to fix game from "elected" folks. Konivings bullcrap of IS AC nerf is totaly sick.

[EboneezeeR]

Livewyr, on 15 September 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

I am beginning to understand why dictators are necessary in some parts of the world.
(Though I still loathe them in concept.)


[Task Force] reads forums. (On subject matter)
[Task Force] applies ideas accordingly into a proposal.
Community votes on ideas.
[Task Force] Refines ideas based on votes.
Community votes on ideas. (However PGI wants to do it.)
Repeat until sufficiently satisfactory.
[Task Force] Pitches newly refined and concise ideas to PGI for vetting and potential implementation.

What on earth is the problem here?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?

Council is a problem. Actually the dictator role belongs to PGI and Council will be a drawback called a Senate. Which if needen will be send to every body known place by dictator/PGI.

So, again, I intend that this elections are just a waste of time instead of actually bring some ideas of fixing the Game.

[UnsafePilot]

EboneezeeR, on 15 September 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

You guys are dumb for real if you think that Council will make any change into whats happening in MWO. I still didn't saw any ideas how to fix game from "elected" folks. Konivings bullcrap of IS AC nerf is totaly sick.

Don't think anyone's been elected yet. When they are elected they'll just be presenting a community consensus on what should be changed with ECM. They're not making any game altering decisions and their individual idea's of what should change with other systems will not suddenly be implemented.

[Livewyr]

DV McKenna, on 15 September 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:

But this task force they will ruin the game with their elitest ideas!!!!!!!!

That come from the player-base. (There seems to be a synapse that has yet to be formed in many minds.)

Joseph Mallan, on 15 September 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

In short. Player X is not on the Task Force So Player X wants it to fail.

I would certainly hope their objection is not that base.

EboneezeeR, on 15 September 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Council is a problem. Actually the dictator role belongs to PGI and Council will be a drawback called a Senate. Which if needen will be send to every body known place by dictator/PGI.

So, again, I intend that this elections are just a waste of time instead of actually bring some ideas of fixing the Game.

Let me ask you a question:

Do you understand the concept "Ratification by Referendum?" (Big difference between that, and a Senate.)

You may google the words, I will not judge you for it.

[Mark Brandhauber]

Mickey Knoxx, on 15 September 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

I totally disagree. The best people for the spots are the best people. Not based on location or popularity. There is not a need to have token players so people don't feel left out.


Annnd, this is why I think this is going to turn into a bunch of rubbish..

You really should edit this post. It can be read without understanding what i hope was your original intention instead seeing something entirely insulting.

Edited by Mark Brandhauber, 15 September 2014 - 11:14 AM.

[EboneezeeR]

Livewyr, on 15 September 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

Let me ask you a question:

Do you understand the concept "Ratification by Referendum?" (Big difference between that, and a Senate.)

You may google the words, I will not judge you for it.

I'm a Republican, we only "referends" some few B-52H to third world countries with a payload of cookies. So cut your democratic bullsh!t.

If I vote for some one this will be a Hagoromo as a topicstarter who actually does care about our players rights.
Hagoromo for Council Inquisitor. Cause we need some mallet to take control on Council and if they'll do wrong to get their ballz smashed

Edited by EboneezeeR, 15 September 2014 - 11:21 AM.

[Onmyoudo]

"I wonder what's on the MWO forums today. Oh man, PGI is giving away a bunch of free stuff! That's cool. Shame about the King Crab requirements, though. Still, 20th Jan guarantee date is nice. Hey, I wonder what else is going on in the forums?


... Sigh."

[Shismar]

The council does not need to be representative because it does not decide anything put proposals. It is just a focus.

So let them be. Can't be worse than what we have now which is no action whatsoever.