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[Wolfways]

hybrid black, on 15 September 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

I never said groups i said top players

Thanks for the endorsement. Does this mean I'm officially a "better player"? Do i get a medallion?

[Tipid]

The Ripper13, on 15 September 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

OP translation.

My e peen is huge, yours is small n u suk.

Seriously, what an idiotic thread.

I think this hit the nail on the head.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

I've been out the loop for awhile but top tier group games used to be all about the ECM.

Ravens and cicadas used to feature super heavily. But we have alot more chassis these days then back then.

[hybrid black]

DV McKenna, on 15 September 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

I've been out the loop for awhile but top tier group games used to be all about the ECM.

Ravens and cicadas used to feature super heavily. But we have alot more chassis these days then back then.

Yes they use to be but i giggle when i see them now

[Wolfways]

Someone who called himself one of the "top players" (can't remember who it was now) said to me "You can do well with LRM's in top level matches, mostly because those players aren't used to seeing LRM's and don't bring any defenses or instinctively react in the right way".

Just saying...(well, he said.)

[hybrid black]

Woot they said all there stuff now i can get off the fourms for today il let you all sit and talk about this to your hearts content

[Joseph Mallan]

[Kirkland Langue]

hybrid black, on 15 September 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

There is a reason ecm is not used in top tier games beacuse lrms are next to useless when playing better player's, so if you think ecm is the problem then i hate to break it to you but you are the real problem.

This is actually evidence that both systems are broken - badly.

In Soloqueue, nobody wants to be the first to charge the enemy not knowing whether the rest of the team will follow - so LRMs get plenty of time to rain missiles and rack up damage.

In Competitive, you just deathball to an objective and blitz the enemy. LRMs don't have the time to fire more than a couple volleys before they are too close - not to mention that better players will always be on the move so less missiles will hit.

It's why I've been saying for a while that the game would be better if both systems were just removed. In competitive play, removing them wouldn't change anything. In soloqueue, removing them would improve the game. Better answer is to redesign both so that they are useful in competitive, without giving them straight buffs where they are simply more OP in soloqueue.

I wonder how it would be if you actually fired LRMs onto a point on the Tactical map and it behaves like artillery fire.

[SmokinDave73]

hybrid black, on 15 September 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

There is a reason ecm is not used in top tier games beacuse lrms are next to useless when playing better player's, so if you think ecm is the problem then i hate to break it to you but you are the real problem.

http://www.runhotord...php?matchid=887
I hate to say it Hybrid but you’re wrong. ECM is still used in comp matches quite frequently it’s just become a lot more situational then it used to be. For example SJR v CSJ in RHOD, SJR bring ECM to every match they win against CSJ. In other games that have screenshots handy they use it a bit less because those maps and situations in SJR's eyes did not call for ECM. This is just an example in the games SJR v GK SJR only bring ecm to the alpine match because ecm has a much better effect in favour to the team using it on that map.

IMO I don’t think ECM is a problem at all and I am indifferent to the matter on if it should be changed, but its bad form to belittle people on their own opinions even if there wrong. Let them think what they want it doesn’t affect us playing in comp and if ECM does get changed big whoop really Russ has already said they would have to overhaul the whole IFF target readout system to change it anyways.

You are right about LRM's though not many teams bring them if any at all in comp currently.

Edited by SmokinDave73, 15 September 2014 - 02:00 PM.

[Mcgral18]

We've got the Loki coming, which should have the Prime. A chassis that carries ECM that isn't slow as balls, or too fragile.

It can pack a bit of firepower, but not quite as much as most mechs in the 65 ton category. Let's see how often it takes ECM? That LT also has 3 E hardpoints...

[Mothykins]

Mcgral18, on 15 September 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:

Magic Jesus Box is an issue.

Believe it or not, paying a tax to use weapons, other than for DHS, is a fairly poor game mechanic.


I don't even use LRMs, which the supporters seem to cry, and I don't like the implementation.

I Tried LRMs once. It was Awful.

And I use ECM, and I think that It's really really bad. It's Just not fun to play against, and when you're playing WITH it, the game's so much easier. Not good balance.

ECM is pretty much the ability to sneak yourself and a Stalker around back and unload a doomsday salvo into someones ass. Not cool.

[kongman]

another ecm crybaby , well now you will have to learn how to play

[Hoax415]

SmokinDave73, on 15 September 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

[snip]

gg close OP, time to pack it up.

What a **** thread.

What OP meant to do:
"git gud hurr hurr"

What he actually pointed out:
LRM's are basically **** once people know what they are doing. Because maps are small and and full of missile proof cover, ECM is god and mechs cover ground very quickly. With those conditions once you are facing 12 people who are working together and not ******** LRM's can never justify their tonnage.

If we were balancing by competitive play we would be buffing LRM's AND nerfing ECM. Nice illustration of how self identifying as a top player means nothing about the quality of a person's posts.

Edited by Hoax415, 15 September 2014 - 02:41 PM.

[Mcgral18]

kongman, on 15 September 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

another ecm crybaby , well now you will have to learn how to play

I do believe you mean ignore a family of weapons because some bads can't deal with them.

[hybrid black]

SmokinDave73, on 15 September 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

IMO I don’t think ECM is a problem at all and I am indifferent to the matter on if it should be changed, but its bad form to belittle people on their own opinions even if there wrong.

i think you have the wrong option of me i don't really care if its bad form or care about anyone on here i was bored and it was entertaining for me to see people squirm over being told the truth of there life

[Ghogiel]

ECM is good. It blocking locks is what most people QQ about. They are bads though. The reason why ECM is actually good is readout/radar blocking and disruption of enemy team focus firing.

[Wolfways]

hybrid black, on 15 September 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

i think you have the wrong option of me i don't really care if its bad form or care about anyone on here i was bored and it was entertaining for me to see people squirm over being told the truth of there life

lol I'm so glad your truth isn't my truth.

[hybrid black]

Wolfways, on 15 September 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

lol I'm so glad your truth isn't my truth.

because a forum warrior matters haha

[TB Freelancer]

Khobai, on 15 September 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

Except ECM is used in top tier games.

Of course it is. There's a big difference between being a top tier player and talking out your rear pretending to be one.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

I have no idea what OP is about but the information is incorrect. Top players do use ECM mechs in competitive matches and in group queue. Even top players die to well played supported LRM camps and decks (even if it is more of an exception than a rule). Not sure if that SJR Caustic ERLL deck would survive a Black Spikes Atlas rush. American meta is very different from EU/Russian.