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[Bilbo]

Damien Tokala, on 17 September 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

What does artemis even do for srms? they don't lock or seek

Tightens the spread.

[Damien Tokala]

Bilbo, on 17 September 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Tightens the spread.

OH sweet. I might invest in

[Bilbo]

Damien Tokala, on 17 September 2014 - 08:48 AM, said:

OH sweet. I might invest in

Personally don't think it's worth it except on the SRM6.

[CDLord HHGD]

Bilbo, on 17 September 2014 - 08:49 AM, said:

Personally don't think it's worth it except on the SRM6.

Yeah, it adds a crit and a ton to the launcher so smaller launchers may not be worth it. Also, you have to re-buy ammo for artemis, there's also that to consider.

[Damien Tokala]

Explains why they don't want it on streaks. Too scared of it being overpowering

[Bilbo]

Damien Tokala, on 17 September 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

Explains why they don't want it on streaks. Too scared of it being overpowering

It's moot because of their rng hit mechanic. Do they still get the lock bonus now that they made the artemis launchers separate equipment?

[CDLord HHGD]

Damien Tokala, on 17 September 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

Explains why they don't want it on streaks. Too scared of it being overpowering

Not sure if it's still bugged, but if you had a LRM launcher with artemis and swapped it for a SSRM (since srtemis upgrade is applied to whole mech), that artemis bonus was "free" on SSRM launchers...

[Damien Tokala]

Streak with artemis is pointless unless you can hit it all in one spot. It's negated from the fact that streaks target individual parts

[CDLord HHGD]

Damien Tokala, on 17 September 2014 - 09:03 AM, said:

Streak with artemis is pointless unless you can hit it all in one spot. It's negated from the fact that streaks target individual parts

That's the way it was "supposed" to work, sure. But there was a bug which gave SSRM added artemis benefits as well. Not sure where that thread ended up, it was before GD was brought back....

[BA Dillard]

SI The Joker, on 16 September 2014 - 07:35 AM, said:

Those of us who did, did so because of the burning love of Battletech & Mechwarrior.

I admit fully - it is a disease.

Exactly! King Crab!!! The ghost heat will kill, but I will take it anyway!!
Hail to the King, baby!!

[Mcgral18]

Damien Tokala, on 17 September 2014 - 08:53 AM, said:

Explains why they don't want it on streaks. Too scared of it being overpowering

Bilbo, on 17 September 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

It's moot because of their rng hit mechanic. Do they still get the lock bonus now that they made the artemis launchers separate equipment?

Damien Tokala, on 17 September 2014 - 09:03 AM, said:

Streak with artemis is pointless unless you can hit it all in one spot. It's negated from the fact that streaks target individual parts

Yep, that's still not fixed.

You get a 50% lock time, which is very useful.

[Gallowglas]

Damien Tokala, on 17 September 2014 - 06:34 AM, said:

Think about it. Streaks split and seek out separate components, dividing their force. But if you have 6 streaks... You land the full force of one streak 6 on 6 different components.

So 6 different components will be taking 12 damage per shot

Spoken as a true heretic. Do not debase the dakka with such foul comparisons. The dakka is sacred and only dakka may be dakka.

[Ovion]

Darth Bane001, on 17 September 2014 - 03:51 AM, said:

I bet pgi are laughing at morons who blush about getting a free mech after spending hundreds of dollars to get it...Freaking morons do people no longer have a clue what these mechs are actually worth? NOTHING. Not a damn thing yet you are willing to shell away a bunch of money because you are too impatient to get it free at a later time...

If the fans would be a little more cagey with their spending habits with this game we would very likely have cheaper mechs and more content.

I will even admit I was a fool to get the first clan wave I installed the game to eventually use clan mechs only, but they quickly ruined their best traits that being their awesome long rang lasers and damage capability.

Actually, no, Digital Content isn't necessarily worthless.

Remember people had to make it.
Something has to store it.
Something has to host it.

That takes Hardware to make it on, wages for the staff, hardware to store, host and distribute, software to distribute which also costs.

_{Due to how this evolved into something longer than intended, I've spoilered it and put a TL;DR at the bottom}

Spoiler

To quote myself from a previous discussion (cut to the relevant part, and some bits added to make it make sense):

Ovion, on 15 August 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

After a little research, it appears the average wage for staff making games is 45-100K per year, Staff reviews(of the company from PGI staff) have said that salaries are competive, but not at the highend, so 75k a year is probably a generous estimate and stats say an average working year in canada is around 1700 (hours a year) this means that the hourly rate would be roughly $45 an hour. _{I can't help but feel this is a little generous, but it's a guesstimate.}

Lets consider, I could whack out a hi res model in 1-2 weeks _{(being a CAD Designer)}, and these guys will be more experienced than me. _{(being professional games designers after all)}
I bet the code would take that long tops too, especially being almost all of it exists already. _{(Other mechs, minor changes to adapt to current)}
Art can't really take much more than the same. _{(many assets exist, especially the basics, but I'd allow for this taking a little longer)}
So that's what... 3-5 guys, taking 1-2 weeks..., or 120-500 man hours - $5,400 to $22,500.
_{(Maybe as much as double that if it's up to 10 people making the mech, or it takes more time.)}
With fringe costs, and such, I could see a mech being between $6,000 to $25,000 _{(or $12,000 to $50,000 if 6-10 people work it, or it takes twice as long)}

This means on a rough estimate, a Mech has an intrinsic value of up to $25,000, that it cost to create and make ready for sale.

And the above estimate doesn't include the continuous running costs of office space, rent, bills, hardware, etc.

Meaning that yes, you can acquire these things for free, but that doesn't make it worthless.
That's just simple economics.

And without people paying for the product, the game simply will not exist.
If PGI can't pay the bills, their wages and their overheads, the game and the direction of the company will become unviable, and MWO would cease to be.

Yes, some things could be handled better or differently, cheaper maybe, but ultimately, PGI aren't laughing.
They're grateful - they've said as much.
Without us, they have no jobs, no game, etc.

We aren't the morons who don't know how the world works kid.
Nor do we have no concept of money.

I've spent (well, will have as soon as preorders go up) US$360 (£250) on Clan Mechs.
For that I've got 42 mechs (including 16 heroes), 43 mechbays, 4 modules, 12 titles and badges, 16 cockpit items, 150 days of premium time, 6 colours, some camo specs and 2,000,000 C-Bills. Plus whatever's in the Faction Packs.

I've spent probably another $100-150 (£60-90) otherwise (including MC, Joystick Upgrades, and such).
That's got me around 60-70 Mechbays, 4 Hero Mechs, a few Champion Mechs, numerous colours and camos, almost exclusively on sale.
Hell, I think the only things I haven't got on sale is 2 lots of MC and the clan packs.

In return for my money?
Over 2000 matches.
156:45:13 Hours of gameplay.
That's just shy of 7 full days.
And probably as much again messing around in the mechbay or on Smurfy.
That works out as roughly £2 an hour so far, dropping for every hour I play.

I'm fine with that.

TL;DR - In the real world, nothing is free, and if no one spends on the game we like, it'll go away.

_{This isn't me white knighting or anything, I'm just tired, grouchy and irritated by kids who don't understand money / economics.
While I can agree with the whole 'why pay for something when you can get it for less / free later' ideal, believing something has no value because it's digital is wrong.}

Edited by Ovion, 17 September 2014 - 09:37 AM.

[1453 R]

I’m actually anticipating that the King Crab may well live up to its Clanbuster reputation. In practice it’ll end up as a 100-ton BoomJag with meaningful backup weapons. The notion of a ‘Mech finding room for dual AC/20 and triple SRM-6, with hundred-tonner armor? Yeah, there’s a Krabby Patty your enemies will all choke on.

[Damien Tokala]

Gallowglas, on 17 September 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

Spoken as a true heretic. Do not debase the dakka with such foul comparisons. The dakka is sacred and only dakka may be dakka.

It shall be something new... It shall be... Splatkka

[Kresteel]