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ThinkTank, on 22 June 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

Which would be better, as in better for gaming?

wire. get one rated for that length, or have a routing hub somewhere in the middle if signal strength is weak. wireless not only requires more equipment to transfer the signal, but you suffer more dropped packets as well depending on surroundings, rate of traffic and distance traveled. something as simple as old wiring or an unshielded light source or speaker can cause you dropped packets, and I haven't even gotten into building structure and composition or superstitious things like paint color yet.

Edited by Battlecruiser, 23 June 2012 - 11:53 PM.

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Wulffemein, on 23 June 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

You know this just reminded me I need to get off my *** and update my network......ahh the joys of running cable....I wonder how much a solid ethernet switch would cost now?

Edited by Wulffemein, 23 June 2012 - 11:53 PM.

[LordDeathStrike]

Battlecruiser, on 23 June 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

wire. get one rated for that length, or have a routing hub somewhere in the middle if signal strength is weak. wireless not only requires more equipment to transfer the signal, but you suffer more dropped packets as well depending on surroundings, rate of traffic and distance traveled. something as simple as old wiring or an unshielded light source or speaker can cause you dropped packets, and I haven't even gotten into building structure and composition or superstitious things like paint color yet.

5ghz changed the wireless world man.

its not like the old 2.4 ghz band that got f*cked by any and everything including water (pipes)

Edited by LordDeathStrike, 23 June 2012 - 11:59 PM.

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LordDeathStrike, on 23 June 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

5ghz changed the wireless world man.

its not like the old 2.4 ghz band that got f*cked by any and everything including water (pipes)

I guess it's that obvious since the last time I used wireless, huh

then again I send all my important mail certified so.. I guess I'm just paranoid.

[Magnum Pryde]

I've read this whole thread and it's left me wondering. I'm looking for a reason for my weapons doing squat for damage and I'm getting the feeling that it's because I'm on a wireless system. I keep hearing the term "packet loss", and from conversations with others in-game, they're guessing that's what I'm experiencing. If I go wired, would that cure (or at least help) this issue? Or am I just that bad of a shot?

[Rushin Roulette]

Another alternative to a LAN cable running through your house would be a powerline adapter set. Its more expensive than WLAN (which is in turn more expensive than a LAN cable) though, so if you are on any tight budget this isnt for you. The advantage is that it uses your house electricity network for its LAN signal transmission. All you need is a plug adapter fro the modem and another for your PC.

In terms of data safety its better than WLAN (but obviously less secure than LAN) as changing the network code is a matter of seconds, its faster thean WLAN (up to 500mb/s) and you dont have any to very little packet loss due to metal, walls, electrical appliances, other devices using similar wavelengths for transmission or water between your PC and the router.

Edited by Rushin Roulette, 26 November 2012 - 03:08 AM.

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Magnum Pryde, on 26 November 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

I've read this whole thread and it's left me wondering. I'm looking for a reason for my weapons doing squat for damage and I'm getting the feeling that it's because I'm on a wireless system. I keep hearing the term "packet loss", and from conversations with others in-game, they're guessing that's what I'm experiencing. If I go wired, would that cure (or at least help) this issue? Or am I just that bad of a shot?

unless your signal strength is low, wifi should be equal to LAN cables. just buy some lan cables and try it out

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RFMarine, on 26 November 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

unless your signal strength is low, wifi should be equal to LAN cables. just buy some lan cables and try it out

Generally speaking from what i understand is this is not entirely true, many other material and electronics can cause interference resulting in Wifi having higher latency times, and in extreme cases packet loss.
Which is the reason just every tech/gamer site advises gamer's to play via a wired connection because it produces a more stable platform for internet gaming.

[Catamount]

Magnum Pryde, on 26 November 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

I've read this whole thread and it's left me wondering. I'm looking for a reason for my weapons doing squat for damage and I'm getting the feeling that it's because I'm on a wireless system. I keep hearing the term "packet loss", and from conversations with others in-game, they're guessing that's what I'm experiencing. If I go wired, would that cure (or at least help) this issue? Or am I just that bad of a shot?

It's not necessarily your shooting; it could absolutely be networking. As to whether going wired would fix the problem, the short answer is that the benefit from doing that depends on how MWO deals with lag, but no matter what, going wired will help with this problem to at least some extent.

[Slab Squathrust]

Magnum Pryde, on 26 November 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

I've read this whole thread and it's left me wondering. I'm looking for a reason for my weapons doing squat for damage and I'm getting the feeling that it's because I'm on a wireless system. I keep hearing the term "packet loss", and from conversations with others in-game, they're guessing that's what I'm experiencing. If I go wired, would that cure (or at least help) this issue? Or am I just that bad of a shot?

My friend, you must be real good with a defibrillator, because this thread was long dead...

Rushin Roulette, on 26 November 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Another alternative to a LAN cable running through your house would be a powerline adapter set. Its more expensive than WLAN (which is in turn more expensive than a LAN cable) though, so if you are on any tight budget this isnt for you. The advantage is that it uses your house electricity network for its LAN signal transmission. All you need is a plug adapter fro the modem and another for your PC.

In terms of data safety its better than WLAN (but obviously less secure than LAN) as changing the network code is a matter of seconds, its faster thean WLAN (up to 500mb/s) and you dont have any to very little packet loss due to metal, walls, electrical appliances, other devices using similar wavelengths for transmission or water between your PC and the router.

Rushin is spot on with his power line ethernet adapter set if it would require a cable to be run long distance, if only for not having the headache of dealing with a long cable. I have often seen these going for around $35 as a newegg shell shocker. Here is one for $40 at the time of posting.
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156390

200 mb/s is faster than anything you could get over the air unless you are right next to the router (But then why not just use a short cord?). In reality with all the other EM interference from every microwave, cordless phone, and wifi network in the neighborhood, you will not achieve the theoretical transfer speeds of whatever wireless standard you are using. Plus if you are in another room, each wall results in further signal degradation. This problem is magnified if the signals travel through the wall at anything other than 90 degrees to reach your computer.

Edit: fixed the double quote

Edited by Slab Squathrust, 27 November 2012 - 12:29 AM.

[Sen]

The only problem with those over power setups is that they can have problems themselves:

Awhile back, my parents used one for the same reason, and while it SEEMED to work okay, everytime my mother went to use skype [was for a video interview no less] it'd run fine for about 3 minutes and then just degrade out. Fortunately I was on site to assist with the issue, and we set her up closer to the router with my notebook to compensate.

My wife and I both play. She's connected wirelessly and gets 150Mb consistent connection [max for that wifi card] I'm wired. Both of us get between 45 and 50 ms ping, both of us stream video high def over netflix with no issues, so there's no reason Wifi CAN'T work: You just have to do your research and make sure you get the RIGHT components: not the CHEAPEST components. You need to be aware of the area around you. . are there a lot of people in your neighborhood with wifi routers? This can have an effect, and it means you may have to change settings in your router to compensate for interference. What is the composition of the house between you and where the router will be? Are there a lot of florescent lights? how about aluminum duct work? A little bit of research and planning, and you'll be MUCH better served by wireless as opposed to a long cable run. . but you've GOT to do the research. Again, DO NOT SKIMP if you're buying a router. Do your research. [side note: It's an old design, but the D-link DIR-655 is highly regarded as one of the most solid routers out there]

on the other side, you can get some nastily huge internal card, or you can buy an external USB connected card. There is a company called "Amped Wireless" that manufactures higher powered USB wifi cards. I use these when I'm out on the road to maximize hotel connections/free wifi points . . actually works fairly well.

Last, there is a new revision out called 802.11 AC. This standard is supposed to be much faster than Wireless N 5Ghz, and not suffer from the relatively short range that the 5Ghz band has. it is new tech, selection of WIFI cards for PC is limited, and it's a little pricey for something still in Draft. . but it's well worth at least researching. I can't give you much more than that, i haven't had the chance to experiment with it yet.