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[Duke Nedo]

I consider duplicates as waste of spent time grinding cash, so yeah. I would definately sell any duplicates to free up wasted cbills and mechbays. After all, its omnimechs so even the 3 unique variants are almost like duplicates all by them selves.... but for now I keep them for running different loadouts, aye aye.

[Spr1ggan]

So i bought the Dire Wolf pack plus the Timberwolf and Stormcrow ala carte. Will the new page take the combined price of my pack and ala carte purchases into account?

[r4plez]

Everyone should be able to pay PGI moar money. MUAHAHA thats briliant!

Spoiler

Edited by r4plez, 17 September 2014 - 01:23 AM.

[Dark DeLaurel]

Duke Nedo, on 17 September 2014 - 12:13 AM, said:

I consider duplicates as waste of spent time grinding cash, so yeah. I would definately sell any duplicates to free up wasted cbills and mechbays. After all, its omnimechs so even the 3 unique variants are almost like duplicates all by them selves.... but for now I keep them for running different loadouts, aye aye.

They are only a waste if you let them be. As I said I have way too many D-DC and even Atlas's but do not consider any of them duplicate as they all fill a role of some sort, even if it is just a different paint job for me to look at

[IraqiWalker]

Duke Nedo, on 16 September 2014 - 11:07 PM, said:

Well, forcing players to loose large amounts of cbills for getting an upgrade that is the only way to get the Maddog bonus because of a good choice they made half a year back that now turned into a bad choice isn't a very good solution imo...

Personally I spend $180 on a-la-charte and bought 3 mechs with cbills so I will only loose ~20 mil cbills and some mc, but I am sure others have a worse situation! 20 mil cbills is a real amout of grind to loose like that though!

My main point is that there was no way of knowing, and there is no way of getting it right now without loosing lots of cbills...

To be clear here. You can get the mad dog for MC, and then for C-Bills. Getting the 2 top tier packs is the way to get the (I) variant, with the 30% C-Bill boost. You can just get the mad dog with C-Bills. money isn't the only way.

McHarg, on 17 September 2014 - 12:27 AM, said:

So i bought the Dire Wolf pack plus the Timberwolf and Stormcrow ala carte. Will the new page take the combined price of my pack and ala carte purchases into account?

That's what it sounds like.

[Duke Nedo]

IraqiWalker, on 17 September 2014 - 02:10 AM, said:

To be clear here. You can get the mad dog for MC, and then for C-Bills. Getting the 2 top tier packs is the way to get the (I) variant, with the 30% C-Bill boost. You can just get the mad dog with C-Bills. money isn't the only way.

Sure, but if I want it at release, and as a "free" bonus which actually makes upgrading from my a-la-carte from $180 to $240 an OK deal, then it will cost me 20 mil cbills.

My suggestion would be to implement that if you have duplicate chassi, stipped, make them sell for 100% of the buy price... or could that be exploited somehow? Dont think so...

[IraqiWalker]

Duke Nedo, on 17 September 2014 - 02:14 AM, said:

Sure, but if I want it at release, and as a "free" bonus which actually makes upgrading from my a-la-carte from $180 to $240 an OK deal, then it will cost me 20 mil cbills.

My suggestion would be to implement that if you have duplicate chassi, stipped, make them sell for 100% of the buy price... or could that be exploited somehow? Dont think so...

Definitely easy to exploit. You can buy for MC, and then sell them for C-Bills, and get better MC-to-C-Bill conversion rates than the MC packs.Definitely an exploit right there.

Don't think I don't understand what you're saying. However, C-Bill bought mechs, and MC bought mechs, shouldn't count for that reward, since it's specifically to reward the top contributors who bought all the mechs with money, instead of free in-game currency.

[Black Ivan]

What will happen if I have 1 a la Carte and the smallest Clan Pack?

I have Timber a la Carte and the Kit Fox package

[IraqiWalker]

Black Ivan, on 17 September 2014 - 02:35 AM, said:

What will happen if I have 1 a la Carte and the smallest Clan Pack?

I have Timber a la Carte and the Kit Fox package

I think you get to still pay the difference (240-30-55 = 155)

[Duke Nedo]

IraqiWalker, on 17 September 2014 - 02:20 AM, said:

Definitely easy to exploit. You can buy for MC, and then sell them for C-Bills, and get better MC-to-C-Bill conversion rates than the MC packs.Definitely an exploit right there.

Don't think I don't understand what you're saying. However, C-Bill bought mechs, and MC bought mechs, shouldn't count for that reward, since it's specifically to reward the top contributors who bought all the mechs with money, instead of free in-game currency.

Can you really get better conversion that way? Fair enough then... I just want to be able to upgrade without loosing a lot of cbills... perhaps they will help out if I file a support ticket, but it would be nice to know that before I pay real money for anything.

[Dark DeLaurel]

I doubt you would get compensated. As I said earlier we are all left with our choices, if you had fun using those `Mechs while grinding then job accomplished and from a CSR standpoint you got your use out of them. If you want to try go for it and let us know how it works.

[Duke Nedo]

Will just have to wait and see I guess... I agree one cannot demand anything, but if one looks at how they have done this it seems like the main objective is to sell more old packages. They leave enough time before this kicks in so that people can adapt to the call and buy more packages or play more games etc to fulfill the prerequisites. Therefore I do not really agree with the "tough luck you bought the wrong package" thing...

I think the cbill loss hitting people who unknowingly bought clan mechs for cbills and now wish to upgrade is very much an unwanted and unintended side effect. It will make people less likely to spend real money, which ofcourse is against the whole idea with this drive.

After some more thought, I think the best and easiest-to-implement solution would be to:

If an a-la-carte customer or a lower-end clan package customer upgrades and already has one of the upgrade-mechs in his inventory (i.e. he bought them for cbills), don't give him a duplicate mech, instead give him its value in MC + 300 for a mechbay.

Wouldn't that be ok? So instead of being forced to buy a duplicate for real cash, you instead buy MC for the same amount of real cash. PGI gets the same money, the customer avoids wasting hard earned cbills and gets MC instead, that can be used to get some other PGI product. Doesn't that make sense?

Edited by Duke Nedo, 17 September 2014 - 08:21 AM.

[Kain Demos]

Mystere, on 16 September 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

How about upgrading a Masakari to ... drum roll please ... GOLD?

How about a gold Mad Dog?

I would do that but the Timber Wolf is sold out.

[TLBFestus]

Mystere, on 16 September 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

How about upgrading a Masakari to ... drum roll please ... GOLD?

How about a gold Mad Dog?

God I hope they don't go down that road again. The "optics" were really bad, and if they get creative with other packaging options it would be totally unnecessary.

Duke Nedo, on 16 September 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

Yeah, that's my point... I would have to upgrade and then sell the duplicates and loose 50% of the cbills grinded to buy them... and for the prime also lose any upgrades and customizations since I guess the upgraded package will give -prime(I)'s....

I wish they would grant the maddog to people that bought Man-o-war + any top tier package. Then you can't possibly get stuck somehow because you bought the wrong type of clan package a long time ago with no chance of knowing....

Honestly this happens all the time with purchases in the real world. You buy something, it goes on sale or is bundled for a better overall deal. You can sometimes go to the Store and they will honor it or upgrade you, but they generally don't go and change their original conditions of purchase.

I Think PGI is being pretty reasonable with what they are doing (not that the dollar signs are hurting), but there is a limit. Pretty much everyone who has been around long enough is getting something. Those that spent more are getting more, seems fine to me. I'm not getting a mad dog because I don't buy enough so i will wait for it for c-bills.

The fact that they are allowing any "upgrades" to grab the extra perks is pretty generous.

I'm also surprised that people who bought the packs originally aren't starting to scream... "Hey i dropped big bucks and they didn't, why are they getting that perk later too?!"

Edited by TLBFestus, 17 September 2014 - 09:47 AM.

[Bront]

Duke Nedo, on 17 September 2014 - 02:14 AM, said:

Sure, but if I want it at release, and as a "free" bonus which actually makes upgrading from my a-la-carte from $180 to $240 an OK deal, then it will cost me 20 mil cbills.

My suggestion would be to implement that if you have duplicate chassi, stipped, make them sell for 100% of the buy price... or could that be exploited somehow? Dont think so...

You can always email support. They might be able to help.

But yes, it in theory could be exploited if folks want to convert MC to CBills.

[Vulture4]

Again, apologies for the inconvenience to any A La Carte owners who want to upgrade. That's better.

[August55]

As long as I can do my Man-o-War purchase today and do the alacarte upgrade afterwards without a hitch I'm on board.

[ackstorm]

Jon Cunningham, on 16 September 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

I won't have this available right away but the plan is soon.

Soon enough for us to have our Mad Dogs on Sept 23rd? That's not a lot of time :/

Edited by ackstorm, 17 September 2014 - 04:24 PM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Duke Nedo, on 16 September 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

Yeah, that's my point... I would have to upgrade and then sell the duplicates and loose 50% of the cbills grinded to buy them... and for the prime also lose any upgrades and customizations since I guess the upgraded package will give -prime(I)'s....

I wish they would grant the maddog to people that bought Man-o-war + any top tier package. Then you can't possibly get stuck somehow because you bought the wrong type of clan package a long time ago with no chance of knowing....

Honestly there are so many things I wish we could have done it isn't even funny. For example I still wish they would have just let us pick a level and then pick the mechs we wanted to fit into the level. I mean I had $120 to spend on Wave 1 but the only mechs I really wanted to buy were the Dire Wolf, Timber Wolf, Stormcrow and Kit Fox so I had to make a choice rather than just buy the mechs I wanted. Ended up buying the Timber Wolf and Stormcrow ala cart for $100 total which means PGI left $20 of my money on the table while I ended up with alot less value for my money than I think I should have had.

Anyway, my point is, no one can anticipate the future and you can only buy things on what you know at that time. Woulda, shoulda, coulda and what if doesn't really matter. You have to take your choices for what they are now and then decided if the value is there or not. $360 to get the entire Clan pack just to own a (I) Mad Dog with or without losing the C-bills I invested on the Kit Fox and Nova is to rich for me.

I mean in my opinion, of the current Clan mechs you have the Timber Wolf, Stormcrow and Direwolf which are good mechs. The Warhawk and Kit Fox which are average and the Nova, Summoner and Adder that are distinctly subpar. Of the new mechs, the Hellbringer is likely to be good with or without ECM while the Fenris and Gargoyle look to be maybe average with only one or two decent build available for them, Koshi just seems like it is going to be subpar. So for $360 you get 4 good mechs (which are very likely going to get nerfed to hell), 4 average mechs and 4 subpar mechs plus a Mad Dog.

I intentionally left out the Mad Dog because if you realistically look at how this mech is shaped and compare it to other existing mechs shaped in a similar fashion (Dragon anyone) and then take that comparison to the next level (like how subpar the Dragon is due to this similar shape) then you really have to be skeptical about just how good can you really expect this Apex mech to be. It may defy belief and be godlike but chances are, not so much. That is a big risk for a $360 investment.

Anyway power to the people who are going to spend the cash for it and to be honest, I do wish I had $360 just wasting away so I too could buy everything but for us average joes, well yeah, doesn't matter how much we like the Mad Dog, we are just SOL hehe.

[Dark DeLaurel]

Duke Nedo, on 17 September 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

Will just have to wait and see I guess... I agree one cannot demand anything, but if one looks at how they have done this it seems like the main objective is to sell more old packages. They leave enough time before this kicks in so that people can adapt to the call and buy more packages or play more games etc to fulfill the prerequisites. Therefore I do not really agree with the "tough luck you bought the wrong package" thing...

I think the cbill loss hitting people who unknowingly bought clan mechs for cbills and now wish to upgrade is very much an unwanted and unintended side effect. It will make people less likely to spend real money, which ofcourse is against the whole idea with this drive.

After some more thought, I think the best and easiest-to-implement solution would be to:

If an a-la-carte customer or a lower-end clan package customer upgrades and already has one of the upgrade-mechs in his inventory (i.e. he bought them for cbills), don't give him a duplicate mech, instead give him its value in MC + 300 for a mechbay.

Wouldn't that be ok? So instead of being forced to buy a duplicate for real cash, you instead buy MC for the same amount of real cash. PGI gets the same money, the customer avoids wasting hard earned cbills and gets MC instead, that can be used to get some other PGI product. Doesn't that make sense?

Old packages? The Clan pack is only a few months old (at least past release), I would not consider that old. Then do I get a refund for the `Mechs that came out after the Clan pack was released? As I easily had the C-Bills to buy them that way, but did not want to wait for release as I am a Clansmen through and through.

You are still trying to con the system or knowing the future. Those of us that pre-ordered any of the packs had no clue when/if/ they would be released or even what their loadouts would be. Now everything is known and they are well on their way to releasing them for MC/C-Bills and rewards come out and everyone who did not want to pay real money for them is screaming bloody murder because they want one of the rewards.