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[Andi Nagasia]

since the resent ER ML nerf,
and since we arn't able to ditch our JJ for more DHS,
the Nova is really finding it hard to keep up,

so to help give it a slight Buff, can we get the NVA-U head Omni-Pod,
for those of you who don't know the NVA-U head Omni-Pod has 1 ECM hard-point,

I feel this addition would give the Nova just a bit more of a Edge,
an edge i really feel the Nova needs right now,

as it stands the Nova(with stock armor) has only 16 Tons of free space,
the same as the Kitfox and the Adder, it also moves roughly 20kph slower,
all it really had going for it was its 12 energy hard-points, perfect for ER ML,
but with this new Clan Laser Nerf the Nova is having a hard time,

Now i do feel the Clan Laser Nerf was necessary and did turn out as intended,
Clan and IS do feel more balanced now with the new Laser ratings,

but with this i feel the nova now is lacking in its primary roles,
and i feel once the StormCrow comes out Novas will start to disappear,

so i propose to give the Nova the U-head, that will allow for ECM on the Nova,
now due to lore the Nova-u doesn't come out until 3077(a very very long time)
so i suppose just the Head be released, counting it as Experimental tech,
as releasing the whole U variant will not be available to lore,

having an ECM would help the Nova with its survivability as well as a support,
since the Nova moves only 81kph ECM would allow it to support the team better,

(note this topic isnt about the currant state of ECM, as ECM is being reworked in game)
(this is about if Nova should have ECM due to that fact NVA-U does have ECM in Lore)

Please Post your thoughts, thank you


If Russ or another Dev could comment on this it would be greatly appreciated,

Edit- Russ or Dev,

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 17 September 2014 - 07:34 PM.

[CocoaJin]

Out of curiosity, is the 2x ER-LL and 6x ER-ML really all that bad of a Nova Prime build? I guess I don't see how anyone would have thought the Nova would be capable of firing all 12 mediums...but there is all kinds of room for a multi-range set up of lasers. Either a 2 or 3 tiered set up...plus you can still fire all the lasers for a respectable alpha, but with improved cooling.

I just don't see the reason for having a bunch of redundant lasers you can never fire together, when a 2x4 LL and ML doesn't look half bad when used with discipline(I get fire discipline is sac religious around here).

Edit:
It also appears the -U carried a heavy medium laser that wasn't released until 3059...unless there is additional info on the -U's release date, they might assume it to be outside the current time line.

Edited by CocoaJin, 17 September 2014 - 08:37 PM.

[Andi Nagasia]

yes the NVA-U doesnt officially come out till 3077, but as stated above this would be only the Head-Omni-Pod,
not the whole variant, with the current MWO system it is possible to implement a single Omni-pod from a variant,
as the U-Head has only an ECM hard point, releasing it now, would be possible with-in lore, as an experimental pod,

[Keira RAVEN McKenna]

WAY outside of the time frame. You just have to rerole your Nova into an ambusher or a support mech, not a gun wagon. Twin LPL and 3 ERmeds is fine and only one Med short of the Twolves of doom builds

[Andi Nagasia]

i understand that and i run a support Nova,

the problem is there is not much the Nova can now do that the Storm crow cant do better,
(your example- but in StormCrow- +1 ER ML, +2 DHS, +18kph, +Endo, +Ferro, -5JJ)
are JJ that good?

that's what im saying at least with U-Head ECM, it would have another role it could fill,
i know U is out of time line, but even so, it wouldnt be the entire U frame, just the Head Omni,

to not break lore, the excuse could be battle testing a component that is possible in this time,
much like modern military does with its equipment, jet engines where built and tested on prop planes,
then after their refinement, Jets where created to hold these Engines, this way it would break lore,

[Koniving]

I wouldn't mind a Nova U headpod. It wouldn't be an issue with a well balanced ECM system. Especially if say, stealth armor, was required to be 'invisible' to sensors as opposed to just ECM. (Thus, Clans would never be able to 'disappear' so to speak). Though, it being a headpod makes it pretty difficult to destroy or disable.

Perhaps if it were to be located in one of the empty side torsos instead.

I also know it's not in the time line. But an Omnipod is an Omnipod. Once ECM starts becoming an omni-attachable item, any Clan mech can use it. So a claim of it being out of the time line pretty much doesn't mean anything at all with Clan tech.

We already have two of them. Light Kitfox and Heavy Hellbringer.

Edited by Koniving, 19 September 2014 - 04:52 PM.

[ImperialKnight]

voted no. they just need to unnerf the Nova quirks and give it positive ones instead

[Aluminumfoiled]

Would that be too much of a buff for the Nova I guess is the question. Low available wt is an issue but Kitfox has 20pt arms. A big difference. Like french fries on a pirate boat.

Reluctant to have anymore ECM mechs as it is and glad they stopped introducing IS ECM. That we will have 3 or so clan ECM to balance with IS is bad enough. Having the Kitfox as the only clan ECM is a balance move in itsself. And the Hellbringer is coming online. I thought maybe only slow clan lights with ECM might be the balance plan.

ECM workover is going to be a big one now after all these modules tag narc and LRM changes, and even more ECM mechs.

edit: as bad as it is I'm almost ready to leave ECM alone I think. It will be everywhere and then ? balanced.

Edited by MicroVent, 19 September 2014 - 05:10 PM.

[Andi Nagasia]

Koniving, on 19 September 2014 - 04:50 PM, said:

Though, it being a headpod makes it pretty difficult to destroy or disable.

Perhaps if it were to be located in one of the empty side torsos instead.

I also know it's not in the time line. But an Omnipod is an Omnipod. Once ECM starts becoming an omni-attachable item, any Clan mech can use it. So a claim of it being out of the time line pretty much doesn't mean anything at all with Clan tech.

We already have two of them. Light Kitfox and Heavy Hellbringer.

the think is the Nova right now under preforms and runs way too hot in its primary build,
and its secondary builds don't give it much that the StormCrow cant do and better,

also with Novas Standard Structure and armor, its kinda a glass cannon, a really hot glass Cannon,
and its center torso is more that target-able, most of the time im dead with my side torsos still having armor,


its unlikely any Clan mech with out it in lore will get it here in MWO(i know i know AS7-D-DC and CDA-3M),

MicroVent, on 19 September 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

Would that be too much of a buff for the Nova I guess is the question. Low available wt is an issue but Kitfox has 20pt arms. A big difference. Like french fries on a pirate boat.

Reluctant to have anymore ECM mechs as it is and glad they stopped introducing IS ECM. That we will have 3 or so clan ECM to balance with IS is bad enough. Having the Kitfox as the only clan ECM is a balance move in itsself. And the Hellbringer is coming online. I thought maybe only slow clan lights with ECM might be the balance plan.

ECM workover is going to be a big one now after all these modules tag narc and LRM changes, and even more ECM mechs.

edit: as bad as it is I'm almost ready to leave ECM alone I think. It will be everywhere and then ? balanced.

this inquiry was to give it the U-Head-Pod after CW and ECM rework,


also to those who say that its out of time line, we are in 3048 right now, the KFX-S comes out in 3050, just saying

[Koniving]

3049. But like Timber Wolves don't get JJs until 3052. Yet it still has them.

So I see what you're saying.

[Aluminumfoiled]

Andi Nagasia, on 19 September 2014 - 05:38 PM, said:

the think is the Nova right now under preforms and runs way too hot in its primary build,
and its secondary builds don't give it much that the StormCrow cant do and better,

also with Novas Standard Structure and armor, its kinda a glass cannon, a really hot glass Cannon,
and its center torso is more that target-able, most of the time im dead with my side torsos still having armor,


its unlikely any Clan mech with out it in lore will get it here in MWO(i know i know AS7-D-DC and CDA-3M),




this inquiry was to give it the U-Head-Pod after CW and ECM rework,


also to those who say that its out of time line, we are in 3048 right now, the KFX-S comes out in 3050, just saying

Gotcha. I really don't have a problem with timeline changes. 10-20 years might be a bit much on weapons but otherwise no problem. A lot of stuff under 5 yrs out could be really interesting. Don't have a problem with the Nova as ECM either just a balance question.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Andi Nagasia, on 19 September 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

i understand that and i run a support Nova,

the problem is there is not much the Nova can now do that the Storm crow cant do better,

There are ALOT of mechs with that challenge....instead of adding more ECM atm, why not some Nova quirks to let them be the energy pimps they are designed to be....or at least a little closer to such aspirations.

That plus....heat management is the pilot's responsibility.

[Andi Nagasia]

just feel this may help the nova move from its current, Throw All ER ML In BRAWLER,
i would like to see the NVA-U-Head and complete NVA-A, mainly NVA-A LT, which has AMS,
i feel it could be an excellent Medium Support, with out everyone just throwing 12 ER ML on it,

[Fire and Salt]

If they wanted to un-nerf the nova, they wouldn't have linked the ER Small and the ER Medium heat penalties together.

It basically has no effect on any 'Mechs except the nova. It was surely targeted at the 6ML 6SL Novas.


I think they want the nova to be weak.





Its still a good assassin, though kinda like the hunchie 4P. Get behind someone and mega-laser them.

[Lily from animove]

No, give us the entire NVA U. ALL OF IT THAT 6B IS NEEDED:

Fire and Salt, on 20 September 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

If they wanted to un-nerf the nova, they wouldn't have linked the ER Small and the ER Medium heat penalties together.

It basically has no effect on any 'Mechs except the nova. It was surely targeted at the 6ML 6SL Novas.


I think they want the nova to be weak.





Its still a good assassin, though kinda like the hunchie 4P. Get behind someone and mega-laser them.

there are quite afew mechs wielding 6+ lasers which cna utilise this. But the recent ERML nerf in heat and it's long duration really crap on the NVA a lot. without the FF and ES upgrades you cnanot switch to some MPL's and have to stay with the way too hot CEML or go and use smalls only now. Heavy mads are even moe horrible in duration and heavy smalls have such a crappy low range that an ECM NVA would indeed be a greta thing trying to ninja that wide thing.

would at leats try to use a 12 micros with 4heavy mg's or 6 heavy meds and 6 heavy mg's

Edited by Lily from animove, 19 July 2017 - 04:13 AM.