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[Xulu]

Does the IS ever get mechs with stats that compare to some of the clan mechs? Not complaining, just curious about the lore. I mean, if America comes out with a cool sky lazer, eventually someone will copy it, etc.

Also, in the lore, does the Inner Sphere ever use the clan mechs? Say they capture one in a battle, etc. it would only seem right to take it, reverse engineer and use that tech/mech.

Anyway, I have read 0 about MWO lore, I just like blowing SH*T up. Thanks.

Xulu

[nehebkau]

Xulu, on 18 September 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

Does the IS ever get mechs with stats that compare to some of the clan mechs? Not complaining, just curious about the lore. I mean, if America comes out with a cool sky lazer, eventually someone will copy it, etc.

Also, in the lore, does the Inner Sphere ever use the clan mechs? Say they capture one in a battle, etc. it would only seem right to take it, reverse engineer and use that tech/mech.

Anyway, I have read 0 about MWO lore, I just like blowing SH*T up. Thanks.

Xulu

IMHO ignore the lore and just blow crap up. Lore gets too many people acting like crazy cat ladies.

[Johnny Z]

This is a dynamic online multi player mech simushooter extravaganza. (although I hope it goes more towards simulator as it develops)

The game builders have said they are trying to keep the character of the IS and Clan mechs while making a playing field that both sides will enjoy. This a challenge they are still working on.

Making either the CL or IS mechs as "end game" or "top tier" totally defeats the purpose of them spending so much time on crafting both IS and Clan mechs to have thier own character. Not to mention making a large part of the games mech content obsolete.

Edited by Johnny Z, 18 September 2014 - 07:35 AM.

[Xulu]

I actually have some clan mechs in my bays, but I was curious about the lore part of it. Playing both types of mechs, I can see how the clan mechs would have a slight advantage in a lot of situations. I think a lot of it depends on pilot skill (A LOT), but given two equal pilots, I think clan tech is slightly better than IS. I want to know if the IS ever adopted the tech, or integrated it, etc. is all. Thanks for the answers

[SI The Joker]

Clan Mechs & weaponry were 'superior' to Inner Sphere Mechs and weaponry in terms of range and damage. I believe the tradeoff was heat. Where's Mallan... that man is a wealth of knowledge.

Inner Sphere inventory of Mechs were significantly larger than Clans' inventory, thereby making things a bit more 'even'.

I think PGI has taken the stance of "no cross-tech allowed".


@Johnny - I need to point out you have Rhonda Snord on your signature.

Edited by SI The Joker, 18 September 2014 - 07:36 AM.

[Redshift2k5]

Yes, in the lore Clan mechs are first salvaged in part and then later reverse-engineered, IS gain use of their own Inner sphere Omnimchs, inner sphere versions of Ultras/ other than the 5, LBXs other than the 10, etc etc

Most of the technical advances don't occur for several decades to come.

"Clan Buster" inner sphere mechs like the King Crab also exist, they were generally old Star League mechs that had technology preserved by Comstar (but it's only tech like gauss rifles, XLs, Endo, and DHS which we have already in MWO anyway but are much more powerful than the tier 1 tech Battlemechs that the IS really had to work with)

Arguing from a pure lore standpoint is not entirely relevant nor helpful, though

[Johnny Z]

SI The Joker, on 18 September 2014 - 07:35 AM, said:

Clan Mechs & weaponry were 'superior' to Inner Sphere Mechs and weaponry in terms of range and damage. I believe the tradeoff was heat. Where's Mallan... that man is a wealth of knowledge.

Inner Sphere inventory of Mechs were significantly larger than Clans' inventory, thereby making things a bit more 'even'.

I think PGI has taken the stance of "no cross-tech allowed".


@Johnny - I need to point out you have Rhonda Snord on your signature.

Wrong

The mech she piloted wasnt even out when that module was made. Nice try though.

Thanks for taking the time to troll the sig though. Sorry you dont have anything better to do or say.

Had no idea that the sig would be such troll bait lol.

Edited by Johnny Z, 18 September 2014 - 07:43 AM.

[DocBach]

The IS reverse engineered Clan equipment is still worse than the Clan stuff, either heavier, less range, etc.

They do however get a whole bunch of brand new weapons that the Clans don't have like Heavy Gauss, Light and Heavy PPC's, MRM's, MML's, Stealth armor, Rotary autocannons, etc.

[SI The Joker]

Johnny Z, on 18 September 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

Wrong

The mech she piloted wasnt even out when that module was made. Nice try though.

What does this even mean? I'm just showing you that the cover of the Snord's Irregulars BT manual matches the image in your signature with a different name.

[Malleus011]

The lore answer is yes, sort of, eventually.

At first, the best they can do is to put captured units back into action, but the logistical struggles of using entirely captured gear makes this challenging.

Later on, they copy Omnimechs, but they're still inferior to Clans.

MUCH later, they develop some amazing tech of their own, and though my memory is fuzzy, I think they capture some factories.

But, for this time period, captured is all you're likely to get.

[Lefty Lucy]

In TT, when Clan tech comes out it is straight-up better than IS tech in every way, even the upgraded IS tech that starts to be disseminated as a result of finding the Helm Memory Core.

Then, for the next several decades, the IS is simply hilariously bad at reverse-engineering Clan tech. By the 3080s the New Avalon Institute of Science gets CERMLs working and hand-manufacturable.

Let's just say that the writers of BT fiction don't really have a realistic view of how fast tech advances once engineers get their hands on a working copy.

That being said, Clan tech begins to proliferate in the more wealthy units in the IS through salvage, and eventually trade with Clan Diamond Shark, and then of course the Rassalhague Republic and Clan Ghost Bear fully merge at one point too.

[Lootee]

What Doc said is correct.

The IS eventually get most of the Clan weapons but ranges are shorter, weigh more and take more crits. The new Clan weapons like HAG, ATM, heavy lasers they won't get but the IS has many more weapons the Clans don't use: hatchets, swords, RACs, MRMs, and all the specialized autocannon ammo that only works in vanilla ACs.

Clans completely miss out on C3 and improved C3 cuz they are greedy about sharing kills.

The IS Falconer is about as close a match to a Clan heavy as it gets. Yes the IS would salvage crippled Clan machines to use themselves and some are even copied with IS tech base.

Edited by Lootee, 18 September 2014 - 07:50 AM.

[Murphy7]

SI The Joker, on 18 September 2014 - 07:40 AM, said:

What does this even mean? I'm just showing you that the cover of the Snord's Irregulars BT manual matches the image in your signature with a different name.

It means that someone found out the milk was spoiled while eating their cereal this morning, and it all went downhill from there. At least, that's my conjecture.

***

As for the OP, and Lore IS getting close to Clans. They do get there - some mechs were inspired by the clans, such as the Bushwhacker. Some technology catch-up, as the Inner Sphere developed targeting computers of their own, and there was tech differentiation - Rotary Autocannon for example.

[Joseph Mallan]

Xulu, on 18 September 2014 - 07:23 AM, said:

Does the IS ever get mechs with stats that compare to some of the clan mechs? Not complaining, just curious about the lore. I mean, if America comes out with a cool sky lazer, eventually someone will copy it, etc.

Also, in the lore, does the Inner Sphere ever use the clan mechs? Say they capture one in a battle, etc. it would only seem right to take it, reverse engineer and use that tech/mech.

Anyway, I have read 0 about MWO lore, I just like blowing SH*T up. Thanks.

Xulu

Sorta. The IS start building Mechs with more Gauss, more PPCs, which closes the gap some. And we do design and field our own Omnis which could load Clan Weapons pods. But we don't get Clan standard til the Jihad era games.

[STEF_]

DocBach, on 18 September 2014 - 07:38 AM, said:

The IS reverse engineered Clan equipment is still worse than the Clan stuff, either heavier, less range, etc.

They do however get a whole bunch of brand new weapons that the Clans don't have like Heavy Gauss, Light and Heavy PPC's, MRM's, MML's, Stealth armor, Rotary autocannons, etc.

This.
Moreover IS started to design omni mechs.
Sunder inspired by Thor (20 tons more, btw)
Avatar inspired by Mad dog
And then others one.

The war against the clans pushed the IS to design more efective weapons. So, Is technology started to exit the decadence.

[Tiamat of the Sea]

Bushwacker was already a project before the clans arrived- it wasn't inspired by clan tech, though the layout of the Mad Dog provided a solution to some issues the Wacker design had been having.

By lore, the Inner Sphere never gets Clan tech equivalents, not directly. In the end this winds up not mattering, though- by 3060, Inner Sphere capabilities include Light and Heavy Gauss, MRMs, C3, hilarious variety of alternative ammo (LRM minefields, anyone? How about armor-piercing autocannon shells?) any melee combat stuff at all (no Clanner willingly performs a death from above, nevermind using a hatchet or sword). Omni technology is also copied.

Clan tech works on a different basis, though- so it's kind of like trying to put Apple pieces into a PC or vice-versa if you want to try and actually use the tech.

Even later on some weird blending happens during the Comstar Word of Blake Jihad and with stuff like Ghost Bear and the FRR blending, but then lore kinda.... skips a century or so (or at least skims over it) into the Dark Ages, which are an invention of WizKids and at which point things are just so completely screwy and there really isn't a distinction anymore because reasons.

[Joseph Mallan]

Johnny Z, on 18 September 2014 - 07:37 AM, said:

Wrong

The mech she piloted wasnt even out when that module was made. Nice try though.

Thanks for taking the time to troll the sig though. Sorry you dont have anything better to do or say.

Had no idea that the sig would be such troll bait lol.

In that Scenario Pack Rhonda was a Shadow Hawk Pilot, She had her legs crushed and had bionic replacements. Hence the odd knee pads AND had an affinity for all things Elvis (Elvis is King Tshirt) Deb drove a Thunderbolt and like Nova Cat warriors collected "Veneers" from the bodies of her fallen opponents... And would never be giving a thumbs up!

[Metus regem]

At first, the IS get their collective asses handed to them, then a lucky shot, gives the IS a year a of peace to figure out how to start talking about how to work together, the accursed planet happens with the traitorous ComStar, and the clans are forced into a 15 year agreement of no more invasions south of a line made by the accused planet. During that time, the IS learns how to work together, and pushes the clans back, and wipes out the CJS, or Kentucky Fired Smoke Jaguar if you will, then they start a fight to make it so that the clans can no longer invade the IS.

That's the lore for the next 15 to 20 years in a nut-shell.

During that time, the IS figures out how to make engines like the Clan XL's, just not as good, the learn how to make better Gauss Rifles, better PPC's, better Pulse Lasers, better Auto Cannons, better Auto Cannon ammo, different kinds of armour, and stealth packages... it just takes time, till then captured gear it is!

[CDLord HHGD]

nehebkau, on 18 September 2014 - 07:29 AM, said:

IMHO ignore the lore and just blow crap up. Lore gets too many people acting like crazy cat ladies.

[Johnny Z]

I have a question. How does Lostech compare to Clan tech?