29 replies to this topic

[Karazyr]

why is it the size of a heavy mech? seriously its a medium mech and it has the sillote of a heavy, this makes it a HUGE target.

for reference this: http://gyazo.com/4d2...930b01d1c99420d is how tall it should be, about the same size as the hunchback.

I love the way the centurion looks and plays but its far to big of a target to be effective in its intended role.

the centurion is not the only mech to suffer from this problem, im pretty sure most mechs are not meant to be as tall as the atlas....

[Nathan Foxbane]

This has been pointed out many times. Rescaling 'Mechs is more than a size slider. From my understanding the whole model has to re-rigged and all the textures and smaller details redone.

[Mechteric]

Nathan Foxbane, on 22 September 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

This has been pointed out many times. Rescaling 'Mechs is more than a size slider. From my understanding the whole model has to re-rigged and all the textures and smaller details redone.

Yet it would be totally worth the effort. Just because something isn't easy doesn't mean and couldn't or shouldn't be done.

[Nathan Foxbane]

CapperDeluxe, on 22 September 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

Yet it would be totally worth the effort. Just because something isn't easy doesn't mean and couldn't or shouldn't be done.

Not saying it shouldn't, but from what I last recall on the subject all 'Mech production resources are tied up in making new 'Mechs currently. They would have to push back all their dates to even start working on rescaling.

[101011]

The thing is...pretty much all the medium 'Mechs are HUGE compared to what they should be. The Shadowhawk is taller than Timberwolf and is nearly the same height as a Dire Wolf.

[kuangmk11]

Nathan Foxbane, on 22 September 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

This has been pointed out many times. Rescaling 'Mechs is more than a size slider. From my understanding the whole model has to re-rigged and all the textures and smaller details redone.

Everything should scale pretty easy, the only thing that may need tweaking is walk animations speed to track with the ground correctly (which is bad for some mechs anyway). I guess there could also be things like weapon effects that would need adjusting as but the model and rig itself is easy and the textures don't care at all what size the model is.

[FupDup]

50 ton mech size!

[VIPER2207]

relative desity

[LauLiao]

Not just the Cent. ALL mediums are at least a little out of whack, with some being worse than others.

[Andross Deverow]

Derrpy, on 22 September 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

why is it the size of a heavy mech? seriously its a medium mech and it has the sillote of a heavy, this makes it a HUGE target.

For the same reason the Vindicator is so huge, and the Treuchet. Someone was lazy pants in the scaling department and they wont revisit to straighten it out.

Regards

[Karazyr]

FupDup, on 22 September 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

50 ton mech size!

dude 50 tons is not actually that heavy, if anything the mechs are way to light.

but compare the atlus to the cent or any other medium mech they are as tall as it and almost as wide, what kind of sense does that make?

[KamikazeRat]

Derrpy, on 22 September 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

dude 50 tons is not actually that heavy, if anything the mechs are way to light.

but compare the atlus to the cent or any other medium mech they are as tall as it and almost as wide, what kind of sense does that make?

they use less dense materials?

but seriously, hopefully once they do a geometry pass on it like they've done for others, they will hear us and tweak it a bit as part of that.

also, i really hope they get a geometry pass soon, along with the Awesome, Dragon, Cicada, and i know im missing some.

EDIT: commando, cataphract, stalker?

Edited by KamikazeRat, 22 September 2014 - 01:41 PM.

[L Y N X]

Take two buddies, one in an Atlas and the other in a Centurion and start a private match then march them side by side and look at all sides. The centurion is shorter, thinner and skinnier, I think it looks like half the MASS of the atlas. take two athletes, one 100 Kg, the other 50kg , the 100Kilo is not twice the height of the 50 Kilo, but he is twice the mass.

[Mechteric]

7ynx, on 22 September 2014 - 01:48 PM, said:

Take two buddies, one in an Atlas and the other in a Centurion and start a private match then march them side by side and look at all sides. The centurion is shorter, thinner and skinnier, I think it looks like half the MASS of the atlas. take two athletes, one 100 Kg, the other 50kg , the 100Kilo is not twice the height of the 50 Kilo, but he is twice the mass.

Bad comparison, instead match up the Centurion against the Victor. Nearly same height and width, 30 tons difference. That is what is at issue.

There is already precedence for properly proportioned medium mechs, such as the BlackJack, Cicada, and maybe Hunchback. All the rest look like heavy mechs if not on the lower spectrum of Assault sizes.

[Alistair Winter]

If medium mechs were smaller, they would be a lot deadlier. If they were deadlier, more people would play them. If more people played them, less people would buy heavy and assault mechs for MC. If less people bought heavy and assault mechs for MC, PGI would lose money.

Am I wrong?

Am I wrong?

[Thorqemada]

3 years to late...

[Lexx]

Rescaling oversized medium mechs would be a lot of work for little to no payoff. Why fix the old mechs when you can make so much more money selling shiny new mechs.

Mech resizing would be way down on the list of things PGI plans to do, if it's even on the list at all. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to fix the Centurion, we pretty much have to deal with it or use another chassis. I'm probably just going to sell the CN9-AH when I get it. The Centurion loadouts favor brawling, and they are just too large and fragile to brawl well.

[aniviron]

kuangmk11, on 22 September 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

Everything should scale pretty easy, the only thing that may need tweaking is walk animations speed to track with the ground correctly (which is bad for some mechs anyway). I guess there could also be things like weapon effects that would need adjusting as but the model and rig itself is easy and the textures don't care at all what size the model is.

The only time we've gotten an official PGI response on this, they said that part of the issue is that things that should have a fixed size would have to be redone then, i.e. ladders, hatches, etc would have to remain the same size while the rest of the mech shrinks.

Alistair Winter, on 22 September 2014 - 03:02 PM, said:

If medium mechs were smaller, they would be a lot deadlier. If they were deadlier, more people would play them. If more people played them, less people would buy heavy and assault mechs for MC. If less people bought heavy and assault mechs for MC, PGI would lose money.

Am I wrong?

Am I wrong?

It's a good question, really; it's a different version of the same quandary PGI finds itself in a lot. Release mechs for money now, or release maps for player retention and more money later?


It's the same thing for medium mechs; you'd have less money from hero mech sales, maybe, but you'd have better game balance, and more people sticking around to actually buy things later.

[DrAwkward]

CapperDeluxe, on 22 September 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Bad comparison, instead match up the Centurion against the Victor. Nearly same height and width, 30 tons difference. That is what is at issue.

Don't forget on that side shot -- those fins add an extra head of height. So, is being eye-to-nipples to the Victor being "nearly the same height?" As for the width, how many people have had half their firepower lost in that Jenner-sized gap between the arms and torsos on the CN9? The armor walls that let the Centurion effectively spread and block damage is what's most likely causing you to think it's bigger than it is.


Look out! It's ************* Jaws!

[Kyle Lewis]

DrAwkward, on 22 September 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

Don't forget on that side shot -- those fins add an extra head of height. So, is being eye-to-nipples to the Victor being "nearly the same height?" As for the width, how many people have had half their firepower lost in that Jenner-sized gap between the rms and torsos on the CN9? The armor walls that let the Centurion effectively spread and block damage is what's most likely causing you to think it's bigger than it is.


Look out! It's ************* Jaws!

Nice how did you do the overlay?