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[kailii]

Earlier today, German gaming website Gamestar.de stated that PGI never acquired any rights regarding the Wing Commander franchise.

Here is the Link:
http://www.gamestar....96,3078453.html
(in German)

In short, Gamestar.de asked EA as well as PGI about the issue.

EA Germany stated that all rights regarding Wing Commander are still in the hands of EA, and the information stating otherwise made by Creative Director Bryan Ekman were "not correct".

PGI's Russ Bullock answered that he had "nothing to add" to the information given by Bryan Ekman.

As I don't know which is true... no comment from my side.

[LostRothschild]

If it is true my comment is "I'm not shocked."

[Hex Pallett]

Wait, since when did PGI had the right to WC?

[Mal]

Ben Lesnick confirmed that PGI has the game rights (he's who actually revealed it originally). I think this article is wrong, maybe they spoke to someone over at EA that wasn't fully in the know? (which, wouldn't be a surprise, EA is a big company, can't imagine everyone is up to date on all the IP stuff).

[Egomane]

It's not the first time that EA germany isn't in the know about some contract detail that the main office made.

I'm also not sure how unbiased the gamestar author is. Lately the GS articles about MWO have been nothing but a reflection of the negativities posted about MWO, without actual research into the matter. Even if things are disproven later or changed for the better, GS doesn't update its articles on the subject.

For now we know nothing!

Edited by Egomane, 19 September 2014 - 10:41 PM.

[kailii]

Dang, i should have taken a screenie of that article...
...because it has been edited.

Yesterday it stated that EA confirmed talks with PGI about the WC license in 2012
without reaching a conclusion, but that part has since been removed.

I'm sure about it because i thought about adding that piece of information to my post;
too bad i can't prove it...

[Hex Pallett]

Woah. Are we seriously saying that it is actually PGI who's holding the Winged Commander license?

I'm not sure how I feel about that....

[Zuesacoatl]

Why even bring this up? I know the original intent was to say "ermagurd, der PGI ist a lyin ergen...ermagurd." Lock the thread, this is one of the types of threads that kept me from the forums so many times.

[kailii]

Zuesacoatl, on 20 September 2014 - 05:04 AM, said:

Why even bring this up? I know the original intent was to say "ermagurd, der PGI ist a lyin ergen...ermagurd." Lock the thread, this is one of the types of threads that kept me from the forums so many times.

I brought it up because it was circulating in the News already.

And if you think my intention was to blackmail PGI, you're free to read the last sentence of my original posting which you obviously didn't.

[Lily from animove]

Game star? lol. I was reading PC Joker until they went gone. They were great, not such butt sucking magazine. After this, I tried gamestar. Horrible magazine, horrible articles. The whole article above just states some rumors and upsets in the community, which is always the case in nearly any community. It's hardly an objective news. This magazine is still as horrible as 12 years ago.

[Alreech]

Egomane, on 19 September 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

I'm also not sure how unbiased the gamestar author is. Lately the GS articles about MWO have been nothing but a reflection of the negativities posted about MWO, without actual research into the matter.

What articles about MWO in Gamestar ?

The last article about MWO in Gamestar before the Transverse disaster was from the 1st October 2013, and was about the upcoming community warfare system what will be implemented during the next six months. All the informations are taken from PC-Gamer, a magazine with a well know bias to MWO ("one of the 20 greatest shooters for the PC"
Gamestar even cited their source with a direct link:
http://www.pcgamer.c...fare-expansion/

But maybe it's Gamestars anti MWO bias that has hindered them to report between October 2013 and September 2014 about all the great things that happened
Like the successful implementation of community warfare until May 2014, the real useful faction medallions for earning loyalty points, the Golden Clan Mechs for 500$ (everybody loved them), or the perfect balance between clan and is tech...

Regarding PGIs professional handling of public relations it can be only bias that enforces Gamestar and other gaming magazines to relate on forum chatters and rumors if they want to post some news about MWO.

Lily from animove, on 23 September 2014 - 06:07 AM, said:

Game star? lol. I was reading PC Joker until they went gone. They were great, not such butt sucking magazine. After this, I tried gamestar. Horrible magazine, horrible articles. The whole article above just states some rumors and upsets in the community, which is always the case in nearly any community. It's hardly an objective news. This magazine is still as horrible as 12 years ago.

Yeah, Gamestar still sucks.
In the newest edition they waste eight pages about that #gamergate fuss (like they did it before with articles about violence and torture in games) - and they even avoid to take sides !

The good old PC Joker would never have done such a thing. They would have made a half page of fun about those wacky & ugly "feminazis" who try to blame our gamer culture as misogynous and hateful.

But PC Games is sometimes a true successor to PC Joker.
They reported on 1st of April that the 500$ Gold Clan Mech package was an early April Fools Joke from PGI, and cited Russ Bullock...
http://www.pcgames.d...scherz-1115775/

[Heffay]

Didn't they retract the claim that PGI didn't have the Wing Commander licensed?

[Egomane]

Alreech, on 24 September 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

What articles about MWO in Gamestar ?

The last article about MWO in Gamestar before the Transverse disaster was from the 1st October 2013,

Oh, was it? Did you notice that I did not say "before transverse" but "lately"? Notice the difference?

http://www.gamestar....75,3078080.html
Date: 08. September 2014
11 days before the news article this thread is about.

http://www.gamestar....96,3078161.html
Date: 10. September 2014
About Transverse but with a very heavy chunk of MWO and PGI within.

http://www.gamestar....96,3078202.html
Date: 11. September 2014
The news preceding the dementi from EA germany. Also heavy on the MWO and PGI topic.

All by the same author, all discussing the negative view of the community, without a single, more balanced and professional, line about the situation. So my guess that he is one of the unsatisfied players and used to oportunity to create more preassure on PGI with an official gaming magizne artikel or two (or four). From what I can gather from those articles, the only time he bothered to ask PGI about something, was when he got news from EA germany about the WC license.

[Alreech]

Egomane, on 24 September 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Oh, was it? Did you notice that I did not say "before transverse" but "lately"? Notice the difference?

All by the same author, all discussing the negative view of the community, without a single, more balanced and professional, line about the situation. So my guess that he is one of the unsatisfied players and used to oportunity to create more preassure on PGI with an official gaming magizne artikel or two (or four). From what I can gather from those articles, the only time he bothered to ask PGI about something, was when he got news from EA germany about the WC license.

And did you notice that there are no articles about MWO between October 2013 and the Transverse Disaster ?
During this time where was much more opportunity for a unsatisfied player to put pressure on PGI.
Starting with the delays for UI 2.0 or Community Warfare or the golden Clan Mechs.
Gamestar ignored MWO since October 2013, after long and intense reporting about this Game (starting in 2009 !) and a very positive review.
Not reporting then where is nothing positive to report is also a kind of bias...

All the information in the articles about the outcry in the MWO forums about auniversetoexplore and Transverse is from public sources (MWO forum, but also quotes from Bryan Ekman), and all articles have been published quickly after the events of the Transverse PR disaster have happend.
Yes, they discuss the negative view of the community, but be honest - how many MWO players have positive views about Transverse ?

Breaking news are never accurate, but no magazine can avoid to report such things.
The first threads in the MWO forum about auniversetoexplore started on 5/6th of Sept., the first article is from the 8th.
Transverse was officially announced on 9th, the article is from the 10th.
Do you really believe any magazine would be able to get an answer from PGI in this short time, while PGI is busy trying to calm down their customers on the forum and on redit ?

But the chances are good that where will be a balanced and professional article about the situation in a future edition of the printed magazine.
Would not be the first time, because the did such articles about Cryteks financial troubles or other events like #gamergate - not on day after they happened, but one or two months later.
Gamestar is one of the few magazines that print such articles, but that's no reason to hinder fanboys to bash that magazine as biased or unprofessional.

[Lily from animove]

Alreech, on 24 September 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

The good old PC Joker would never have done such a thing. They would have made a half page of fun about those wacky & ugly "feminazis" who try to blame our gamer culture as misogynous and hateful.

But PC Games is sometimes a true successor to PC Joker.
They reported on 1st of April that the 500$ Gold Clan Mech package was an early April Fools Joke from PGI, and cited Russ Bullock...
http://www.pcgames.d...scherz-1115775/

Yeah I miss the PC Joker, they were great more realitsic guys with a good bunch of black humor.
And they always had greta games as full versions. Not the mainstream poop games. often the true gems. Maybe except "Wet" which probably was a borderline choice for a magazine that teenagers may buy. Purely from "educational point of view". The game still was great even for teenagers XD