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[Willard Phule]

Russ Bullock, on 24 September 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

Clan LRM's have a very small ( if memory serves half second ) longer cool down per pack - this is a very small counter to the fact that Clan LRM packs can literally weight half as much ( IS LRM 20 - 10 tons andn Clan LRM 20 = 5 tons ).

The trail of missiles is more prone to AMS fire as well to counter the fact that Clan LRM's can do some damage well within 180 meters.

All in all the Clan LRM's are still very powerful for their tonnage.

The only downside to that is that IS LRMs are a lot easier to dodge unless they're chainfiring LRM5s or have spastic launch tubes like the D-DC or Stalkers.

That wave of missiles is a lot harder to juke out of the line from than a solid clump.

[mongo2006]

Brody319, on 24 September 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

How dare I express a concern without digging through mountains of data or sitting in mech bay for 5 hours trying to figure out the exact points a single missile and volley. I've played Catapults, missile boats for IS, and Timber wolves for Clan. I know that the clan missiles feel extremely different.

Direct fire yes a stream does more damage, I also know that firing indirectly having the missles bunched up means that they can hit a wider area and can actually hit a mech who moved. In pubs however (which is what I play) its not indirect, I tend to have a teammate who has keeps the enemy spotted and the missiles track them just fine. I can see the damage they are doing. May be different in meta matches when everyone knows how to spread damage and avoid missiles, but in PUBs Clan missiles feel blatantly superior.

Here dude let me help ya, after hours and hours of missile use I have finally learned to use them properly. I try to tag every target I get, resulting in higher hit rates and bonuses for damage.

C-LRM 10 + ARTEMIS 122 169,352 51,928 30.66% 11:20:39 55,332 C-LRM 15 + ARTEMIS 62 92,986 25,458 27.38% 05:28:22 26,858 C-LRM 20 + ARTEMIS 1 890 191 21.46% 00:07:27 209


This is data when I was a noob, and didn't tag properly with a stalker (still the best missile boat if you ask me) As you can see my hit rate is lower but in the case of the LRM 15's you'll see that the (IS) LRMS did much more damage than the clan LRM's even thought I tag 10 times more than I did 6 months ago when I was new to the game. This data also inclues when I didn't even know to use "R" to target.. mainly the reason for the lower hit rate.

So by this data.. something (IS) BS artist and trolls are short on.. the (IS) LRM's do almost 30% more damage than clan missiles. Even though I fielded the clan missiles more the (IS) missiles did more damage.

LRM 10 + ARTEMIS 14 12,770 3,695 28.94% 01:11:29 4,163 LRM 15 + ARTEMIS 58 120,006 28,773 23.98% 05:16:27 32,248 LRM 20 + ARTEMIS 16 28,888 6,028 20.87% 01:23:47 6,933

Now this is my personal data, and I have to admit I'm damned good with missiles but the DATA is saying I do better with (IS) missiles. As I said.. tears and snot don't work on me....

Edited by mongo2006, 24 September 2014 - 02:43 PM.

[SaltBeef]

Not to mention seems at least 2 Clan lrm vollies eat the dirt even if you got a good lock and chirps. Bug.

[Kain Demos]

SaltBeef, on 24 September 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

Not to mention seems at least 2 Clan lrm vollies eat the dirt even if you got a good lock and chirps. Bug.

This happens to me all the time, even if they are 500m away. For some reason they don't take any kind of upward trajectory at all and just plunge straight into the ground.

Another reason I try always to "direct fire".

[Asyres]

SaltBeef, on 24 September 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

Not to mention seems at least 2 Clan lrm vollies eat the dirt even if you got a good lock and chirps. Bug.

The missiles disapprove of your breach of zellbrigen.

[SaltBeef]

And I say the IS surat dung do not deserve the Right to Zellbrigen a law they scoff at.
They deserve zellbrigen like a cockroach deserves it before I squash it!

Edited by SaltBeef, 24 September 2014 - 03:40 PM.

[Kain Demos]

SaltBeef, on 24 September 2014 - 03:37 PM, said:

And I say the IS surat dung do not deserve the Right to Zellbrigen a law they scoff at.

Yes--the IS does not fight honorably so we must resort to fighting them in a Grand Melee.

[Asyres]

Kain Thul, on 24 September 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Yes--the IS does not fight honorably so we must resort to fighting them in a Grand Melee.

Is that why the Mad Dog B has hands? For punching opponents not worthy of your glorious zellbrigen missiles?