16 replies to this topic

[Mad Strike]

.....i don't think so

[xMintaka]

Getting lucky one game =/= a good build.

[Bront]

You can have good games in bad builds.

That said, there are ways you can use of an XL Atlas, but in general, the Atlas's strength is that it's got tons of armor and hard to bring down even if it loses a torso. mounting an XL gives that up.

[Mad Strike]

Bront, on 14 September 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:

You can have good games in bad builds.

That said, there are ways you can use of an XL Atlas, but in general, the Atlas's strength is that it's got tons of armor and hard to bring down even if it loses a torso. mounting an XL gives that up.

What if i tell you he has 2.27 K/D 503 matches on archived stats (2.56 when he had 400 matches and 1.88 K/D on current stats ?

plus , i'm gonna install weapon cooldown mods for his weapons (3 weapon mods space)

Edited by strikebrch, 14 September 2014 - 04:47 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

strikebrch, on 14 September 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

What if i tell you he has 2.27 K/D 503 matches on archived stats (2.56 when he had 400 matches and 1.88 K/D on current stats ?

plus , i'm gonna install weapon cooldown mods for his weapons (3 weapon mods space)

Impressive but still not indicative that XL Atlas are not playing against the limited strengths of the chassis man. Hey, many of us have odd-duck builds we are successful in...it's why I'm not afraid to try them. But given the vagaries of Elo buckets, pug vs group play and everything else....it's not necessarily evidence that you're not the exception but the rule.

Were all of those matches in an XL? I've got high KDRs in alot of mechs that I used to use under-optimized builds on....but I didn't stay in bad builds forever hence their bright and shiny stats of KDR, DPM, DmgPM, KPM etc etc.

[Johnny Reb]

I love xl assaults, Atlas, Highlander, Battlemaster, Awesome, Stalkers even Victors. Once they pop its over!

[Mad Strike]

Lukoi, on 14 September 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

Impressive but still not indicative that XL Atlas are not playing against the limited strengths of the chassis man. Hey, many of us have odd-duck builds we are successful in...it's why I'm not afraid to try them. But given the vagaries of Elo buckets, pug vs group play and everything else....it's not necessarily evidence that you're not the exception but the rule.

Were all of those matches in an XL? I've got high KDRs in alot of mechs that I used to use under-optimized builds on....but I didn't stay in bad builds forever hence their bright and shiny stats of KDR, DPM, DmgPM, KPM etc etc.

yup 400XL has been there since Boar's Head launch , i'm proud of him , no meta , no chessy , just cool and classy.

P.D: The guy comes with standard heatsinks which i upgraded to Doubles and add 2 more of them ; you know ...for heat.

Edited by strikebrch, 14 September 2014 - 06:41 PM.

[Mad Strike]

Johnny Reb, on 14 September 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

I love xl assaults, Atlas, Highlander, Battlemaster, Awesome, Stalkers even Victors. Once they pop its over!

Yeah XD i know but i just like to push mechs to the limit with my builds and when i saw that atlas weapons , engine and of course speed!!!....i was like "shut up and take my money!!!!".

Edited by strikebrch, 14 September 2014 - 06:46 PM.

[Bront]

strikebrch, on 14 September 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

What if i tell you he has 2.27 K/D 503 matches on archived stats (2.56 when he had 400 matches and 1.88 K/D on current stats ?

plus , i'm gonna install weapon cooldown mods for his weapons (3 weapon mods space)

Hey, if it suits your playstyle and you're having fun, who am I to tell you differently?

Still, the XL doesn't play to that chasis's strengths in general, so many would rather use a standard engine anyway.

[Roughneck45]

The weaker your opponent is the more viable it appears to be. Personally, I laugh or shake my head whenever I see an XL atlas.

Glad your having fun in it though! A fast atlas can be a nice change of pace.

[DONTOR]

That does look pretty fun actually. When you do the weapon mods dont use any for the LRM10, instead use range and cooldown for the MPLs, and the AC10 cooldown.

[Wrenchfarm]

XL in Atlai are not a good idea. If you make it work, that's great. But I'd rather have almost any other assault on my team than an XL Atlas.

Your build is just... ugh. I can't even.

[Mad Strike]

Wrenchfarm, on 16 September 2014 - 07:56 AM, said:

XL in Atlai are not a good idea. If you make it work, that's great. But I'd rather have almost any other assault on my team than an XL Atlas.

Your build is just... ugh. I can't even.

I know , a lot of friends say the same or end up laughting XD. The build is made for flanks and breaking enemy lines when making a stomp , so no forward classic brawl of course because of the XL.

Edited by strikebrch, 16 September 2014 - 08:46 AM.

[John Mechlane]

Haha! Please, use XL in the Atlas as much as you can. It's such a pleasant surprise when i want to take down one of his sides, and end up killing it We always have good laughs about it on the TS channel...

And anyone can have a good match in a cheese build, and post a screenshot. That doesn't prove anything.

[990Dreams]

Disadvantages of XL Atlas:

• You're slow, making it easier to hit your engine
  
• You're an Atlas, so people will aim center of mass
  
• If one of you shoulders is opened up people will shoot at it, even if you don't have an XL engine
  
• Smart people will target your shoulders anyways just to take off weapons and make you easier to kill

If your a D-DC, then you have the added non-bonus of your shoulder being a target since it has ECM.

However, if your smart (like the OP) and play safe, you can make your Atlas rewarding even with an XL engine. But you need to play carefully.

[IraqiWalker]

The main problem with discouraging XLs in Atlases isn't that the build is horrid. It's that there aren't that many people that can make it work right. So to save everyone the grief and pain of having an XL Atlas on their team, that will die in 3 seconds flat to anyone above average elo, people discourage running XLs in them. Simple fact is that you will be tanking infinitely more with a STD engine. The torso twist speed can help you use your shield arms better, but that's something that can be done with skillful STD piloting.

The builds that are encouraged are the ones with the highest chance of success for the most people. Since that improves the over all experience for everyone. If I'm dropping in a silly build like 2xAC20 Cicada, or my 9xERPPC DWF-B. I tell my friends before hand and see if it's okay with them. If I'm in the solo queue, I announce it on chat, and I always bring serious builds for challenges. Since I'm not the only one in the challenge.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 26 September 2014 - 07:48 AM.

[MisterPlanetarian]

strikebrch, on 16 September 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

I know , a lot of friends say the same or end up laughting XD. The build is made for flanks and breaking enemy lines when making a stomp , so no forward classic brawl of course because of the XL.

The problem is you devote a 100 ton mech to that in a very mediocre fashion. Dropping 10KPH for a standard 350 would keep you in the fight alot longer. You need to ask yourself at what price that extra 10kph was bought.

I'm not saying it's impossible or hyperbolic instant suicide, it's just not optimal with the BH's hardpoints.

Edited by MisterPlanetarian, 04 October 2014 - 08:55 AM.