11 replies to this topic

[Keeshu]

#1 What mechs do Jade Falcons use the most/what mechs are they known for?
Sarna doesn't help too much because all the Jade Falcon specific mechs are out of our timeline, or is the Wakazashi (which has no other variants).
http://www.sarna.net...con_BattleMechs
However, Black Lanner, Fire Falcon, Night Gyr, and Turkina all come out in 3052 (Jade Falcon was busy that year it seems). Cougar comes out in 3058. So these mechs are somewhat close to our timeline.
Of course the "If you see a Falcon not in a Summoner, Hellbringer or Kit Fox, double your caution." quote makes it pretty obvious those are the most popular of the Jade Falcon mechs, but I was curious about their other mechs that may come into the game (or may already be in. like Stormcrow, are you Jade Falcon because of the bird theme and they use it a lot or are you Smoke Jaguar because they use them more often?).

I'm also clueless on their Assaults, but looking at the assignment tables in the Ultimate mech discussion thread makes it seem like they use Gargoyles more than anything else.
http://mwomercs.com/...cussion-thread/

#2 What other "good" and/or unique features do the Jade Falcons have that the other factions do not have?
















You don't have to read the rest of this as it is just the reasoning for making this thread.


Community Warfare is coming around soon, and I wanted to make a decision beforehand in case I'm forced to pick a faction other than Clan Loyalist.
I was torn between Ghost Bear and Jade Falcon, so I figured I'd make a thread to help me decide (along with anyone else that might want to join a thread, but can't be bothered to post a thread/reply).

Jade Falcon doesn't have anything super huge standing out for them like the Ghost Bear's Mad Dog (though, Cougar Prime is like the light version of the Mad Dog Prime), but there is a bunch of stuff I do like about the Jade Falcons. I do love the Hellbringer (nostalgia over a mission in MW2 and dual PPCs). Summoner I rather like a bunch (not as much as Hellbringer though). And in general I have nostalgia over them because when I was a kid I preferred the Jade Falcons over Clan Wolf.

I'm leaning towards choosing Ghost Bear right now because of the Mad Dog (Favorite Battletech design, and has pretty nice loadouts) along with a few other things. However, I wanted to see what the Jade Falcons had to say on the matter before I make a switch.

[_Comrade_]

The mad dog was one of the most widely produced mech during operation revival, so it's kind of a mute point to say that you will go to GB because of the mad dog when every clan is using it. In fact Joanna from the Jade Phoenix trilogy piloted a mad dog . Ghost Bears were the only one's that produced the Mark II variant but i believe that was after operation revival

Jade falcons tend to favor Summoners, Hellbringers, Warhawks, Kit Foxes during operation revival. The Summoner is the Jade Falcon's design, so far that is the only jade falcon mech in the game, hellbringer is hell horse, kit fox is clan cobras and the warhawk is clan smoke jaguars design. Jade Falcons basically favor mechs with good maneuverability like Novas and Timber Wolves with jump jets. Most of their later mechs include The Cougar, the Shadow Cat II, the Hellbringer mark II. All creations of Jade Falcon


What i like about Jade Falcon is their storied history. The first khan Elizabeth Hazen was pretty much Kerensky's most trusted officer and in charge of his elite Black Watch. Her actions at the battle of Eden where she saw the vision of the flying Turkina (her tamed jade falcon) carrying a sword and then slashing down the rebels with that sword pretty much sums up what jade falcon is. Aggressive, non-compromising and tenacious. They are also staunch traditionalist who aren't interested in building a little home in the inner sphere...NEG, our goal is to conquer Terra. Nor do we have different interpretations of the way of the clans. They also have the 2nd best merchant caste behind Diamond Shark, so our logistics will be excellent. I also like the fact that they booted out both Steel Viper and later the Ice Hellions out of their occupation zone whereas other clans shared their occupation zones mostly with Hells Horse who comes after the invasion.

Given Jade Falcons belief of accomplishing their goals by any means necessary. I won't be surprise if we find out the Jade Falcons finally captured the Kerensky bloodname in the next battletech installments

Ghost Bear is a good second choice if you don't pick Jade Falcon. They tend to be patient and want to wait to see how things develop, which kind of slows them down a bit. But hey that's a bear for yea, slow but powerful

Edited by Grimwill, 26 September 2014 - 08:45 PM.

[Vanguard319]

For me, the Falcon's appeal is their tenacity and sense of personal honor. A Falcon may dare to be bold, and they may even fail, but they tend to either win big in terms of glory, or die a warrior's death. As for the honor part, while there have been purely political animals like Elias Crichell, most Falcons tend to frown upon actions that they consider shameful. A Falcon would rather face a challenge head on over using deceit or subterfuge. (Ironically, they do recognize the value of military intelligence, and have one of the better Watches among the clans.)

Edited by Vanguard319, 27 September 2014 - 08:28 PM.

[CyclonerM]

Vanguard319, on 27 September 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

most Falcons tend to frown upon actions that they consider shameful. A Falcon would rather face a challenge head on over using deceit or subterfuge.

Vandervanh Chistu may disagree

[Stormwolf]

The exact faction specific mechs in 3050 are a bit ill-defined due to them only having 16 mechs when the Clans first came out. So you'll see every TRO3050 mech show up in every Clan in some shape or form. Though more recently there have been products that gave a more complete picture of who has what.

What I can gather from Era Report 3052 is the following (I count mechs that appear 3x times or more on the RAT as common):

Light:
Common: Kit Fox
Less common: Incubus, Howler, Locust IIC and Fire Moth

Medium:
Common: Nothing stands out
Less common: Nova, Ice Ferret, Stormcrow, Shadowhawk IIC, Conjurer and Viper

Heavy:
Common: Summoner and Hellbringer
Less common: Timber Wolf and Mad Dog

Assault:
Common: Executioner
Less common: Marauder IIC, Warhammer IIC, Gargoyle, Dire Wolf, Warhawk and Bane

[FoxTrot05]

Jade Falcon is no stranger to 100ton monsters. Stone Rhino, Bane/Kraken (series), and Jupiter are 100t mechs known to be used along with the Daishi in fewer numbers.

The Night Gyr is a CJF design that is a mix between the summoner(fixed jump jets)/nova cat in the timber wolf weight class. This should be the "Jade Falcon Timberwolf" but it is far more glorious to capture a Timberwolf from Clan Wolf than to win a Night Gyr in a trial for a better mech. All energy, all autocannons, or all missiles; it's an omni so knock yourselves out with loadout.

The Black Lanner has been a iconic CJF medium. Not the most well armored, but can pack speed(MASC), ECM, and mix of deadly weapons to strike at all ranges at blinding speed or boat lasers/SRM's, make a mini Mad Dog, or Giant Kit Fox.

Not so common medium is the Conjurer. Not so common because it is not an omni, it is fast, packs streaks, large pulse laser, and medium lasers. This is a light murderer and another thorn in a direwhale/atlas side/rear.

For lights, CJF created the Cougar mech from mostly the adder design for a quick R&D to production turn around. I would say they had to have had to make adder in large numbers for this to work.

As far as fluff, quite a few clans had a hard on for the Jenner because of it's speed and firepower, and it was something they didn't think of. If/When they start releasing Clan IIC refits of IS mechs, expect the Jenner IIC to be among the first wave.

As far as what makes CJF mechs unique, due to the nature of Omni's many mechs can fill the roles of the other. However, the trend I see in determining "CJF mech Pro's" are a blend of crazy speed, jump jets on anything(fixed on what isn't omni), ECM for maximum surprise, and potent long range firepower to maximize superior positioning gained with the higher speed/jump jets. You can see these characteristics in kit foxes, Black lanner, and Hellbringer. The con is that combo takes a toll on armor.

Edited by FoxTrot05, 08 October 2014 - 01:07 PM.

[Metus regem]

I can't really think of two more ideologically opposed clans than Ghost Bear and Jade Falcon... The Falcons being Crusader to their very core, and the Bear being more pragmatic in their approach to Operation to re-take Terra.

A great example of what I mean by the differences in ideology is found in what happened after both clans moved to the inner sphere, the Falcons maintained their zone, in the same manor that they had conquered it in, while the Bears made a very real attempted at meeting the people of the FRR half way on everything from rights, to reconstruction to make a working state with in the IS.

[KuroNyra]

The real question would be: Why do you even consider the Jades...
*See all the guns pointed at his head*
Nevermind!
Warden Wolf saying stupid thing, Nothing to see!




If you want to use a Jade Falcon Mech, I suggest the Summoner, it was after all in this mech that Joanna mananged to beat Natasha Kerensky... It was also that mech who was used by the badguy in the anime... With laser on the feets... Urrg...

Edited by KuroNyra, 08 October 2014 - 02:16 PM.

[Keeshu]

Metus regem, on 08 October 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I can't really think of two more ideologically opposed clans than Ghost Bear and Jade Falcon... The Falcons being Crusader to their very core, and the Bear being more pragmatic in their approach to Operation to re-take Terra.

Clan Wolf and Clan Smoke Jaguar are more similar than these two? Aren't those two clans like the stereotypically good clan, and the stereotypically evil clan?

Maybe it's just due to my lack of knowledge and just looking at the description of the clans on Sarna. I haven't read any books on them.


Reasons why I like Jade Falcon:
Dat Logo. Falcons are awesome (because I like animals that can fly for some reason), Katanas are cool (Cause stereotypical badass ninjas?, too bad the falcon is holding the blade though, ouch), and Green is my favorite color (after black).

In Mechwarrior 2 Summoner felt like a nice balance of armor, mobility, and firepower when I was a kid. I also like Hellbringer a bunch due to dual PPC and it looked cooler. I could be wrong but Jade Falcon seems to like Jumpjets quite a bunch, and I always slap Jumpjets on every mech I can even if it's not the most optimal thing to do.

I like their "Might makes right" mentality.

I like the rivalry between Clan Wolf and Clan Jade Falcon (also bias from liking Jade Falcons more as a kid). Also, Jade Falcons attack Davion too, and Clan Wolf + Davions have a lot in common at a glance. Both of them are very boring to me.


Reasons why I like Ghost Bear:
I like their snowy theme to be honest, because I like snow a lot *shrug*..... Sadly, they have one of the more ugly logos in battletech though.

They have the Mad Dog and Ghost Bear likes to use it as a "support" mech a bunch. Also, Ghost Bear seems to love really friggin fast mechs, and mechs that hit hard, sometimes at the cost of armor, which is something I look for in gameplay in most games to be my main mechs.

I like their "wait and see" mentality.

I like how Ghost bear treats their fellow comrades as family, and protects them as much as possible, sometimes to the point where it kills them. Which is something I do repeatedly, one of these days I'll learn to stop trying to protect lemmings.




That's all the stuff I can really gather that's interesting to me about each clan that doesn't require reading a ton of books or knowing some other basic info that's not on Sarna. They don't really conflict with each other on any point, so that's why it was a hard decision for me.

[Summon3r]

Summoners.... millions and millions of Summoners

[CyclonerM]

Metus regem, on 08 October 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

I can't really think of two more ideologically opposed clans than Ghost Bear and Jade Falcon... The Falcons being Crusader to their very core, and the Bear being more pragmatic in their approach to Operation to re-take Terra.

I can. Ghost Bears and Ice Hellion

[Metus regem]

CyclonerM, on 09 October 2014 - 04:31 AM, said:

[/size]
I can. Ghost Bears and Ice Hellion

Ah I forgot about the home clans... well then take what I say as an example of the invading clans then...

Keeshu, on 08 October 2014 - 08:07 PM, said:

Reasons why I like Jade Falcon:
Dat Logo. Falcons are awesome (because I like animals that can fly for some reason), Katanas are cool (Cause stereotypical badass ninjas?, too bad the falcon is holding the blade though, ouch), and Green is my favorite color (after black).

I like their "Might makes right" mentality.

I like the rivalry between Clan Wolf and Clan Jade Falcon (also bias from liking Jade Falcons more as a kid). Also, Jade Falcons attack Davion too, and Clan Wolf + Davions have a lot in common at a glance. Both of them are very boring to me.


Reasons why I like Ghost Bear:
I like their snowy theme to be honest, because I like snow a lot *shrug*..... Sadly, they have one of the more ugly logos in battletech though.

They have the Mad Dog and Ghost Bear likes to use it as a "support" mech a bunch. Also, Ghost Bear seems to love really friggin fast mechs, and mechs that hit hard, sometimes at the cost of armor, which is something I look for in gameplay in most games to be my main mechs.

I like their "wait and see" mentality.

I like how Ghost bear treats their fellow comrades as family, and protects them as much as possible, sometimes to the point where it kills them. Which is something I do repeatedly, one of these days I'll learn to stop trying to protect lemmings.

The Wolves are actually very pragmatic in most things that they do, they are also known to fight in a very non-clan like manor when it suits them. They have been known to gang up on a mech with out a grand melee being started.

For me, the draw of the Bear is very simple, they were founded by a husband and wife, that would chose a death together, rather then be separated by the new order of the clans, that sense of unity, is still found with in the Bear's. When they moved to the Inner Sphere, every member of the clan was given a chance to weigh in on the decision, that is a huge deal, it shows that no matter who you are in the clan, your voice matters.

The Bear, while known for the wait and see view, have been known to act swiftly and violently with the right amount of provocation, for example the Combine-Dommion war.

All that, and I like Polar Bears.