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[Rick Rawlings]

I would purposefully shut down more ofter. Maybe your foes will take that 8 minutes to go brush up on their reading skills...

[Bishop Steiner]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Well, it depends on the mech. For some mechs, I'll try to watch my KDR, just because it's a kind of a personal challenge and the achievement system in this game really doesn't work like it should.

I kinda get that, but to me, that's kinda artificially inflating it, too. Just my opinion, not some hard rule to live by, but the only Mech KDrs that matter to me, are ones I wan't to know were as "clean" as possible.

[Tristan Winter]

mountainlion, on 07 October 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

Why does it have to be a eject button? Why not a kamikaze suicide button? Last man gets the chance to overload his mechs powerplant.

I often deliberately overheat and die if I'm in my PPC Warhawk and we're about to get stomped anyway. I don't mind going down like that, if there's a chance I can take a few extra mechs with me.

Bishop Steiner, on 07 October 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

Several things:
1) You would need a lengthy set of "conditions" to allow for it. (When is it allowed? Without parameters, you would get people seeing Terra Theram, or LORDS on the other team, or a bunch of Trial Mechs on theirs, and simply ejecting to find a more favorable match. So what limiters are on it to prevent griefign the team that way?)

I already adressed this issue, Bishop. No weapons. I.e. all weapons are either destroyed or out of ammo. That's not a lengthy set of parameters. They already have the code to check for this, because you can't drop in a mech without weapons (same as no engine).

I guess mechs without energy weapons could just empty all ammo at the start of the match and eject, but that would be the same as all other griefing. The same people can just run and hide and disconnect right now, to save their KDR.

Bishop Steiner, on 07 October 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

2) If you have no guns, but teammates, you can still act as a shield, possibly salvage the match. Good teams do it all the time. I even see good PUGs do it, though much less frequently. I already too frequently see (especially certain comp players) shut down hiding in a corner end of match "because they have no guns/ammo), but could still actually be helping the team. You better believe I got no issue giving away their bloody position at that point. Screw their stats and epeen.

If you have teammates left, yeah. That's true. Although sometimes you're a Victor running around without weapons, and your only remaining teammate is a Raven 3L with 2 ER LL's, who could not give a flying fudge, because he's busy sniping on the other side of the map. In that case, I'd like to just crawl back to base or eject, instead of deliberately suiciding.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

And on the other hand, I don't see the purpose of letting the enemy team go kill an unarmed mech, to stroke their ego. Where's the challenge? No more resistance, the match is over. Eject. ggclose. If people like killing mechs that don't fire back, they can visit training grounds. If I disconnect, I get reported.

Also, I wouldn't play Conquest even if PGI paid me to do so. You can't really contribute much if you have to stand on a square for 3 minutes for something to happen. While broadcasting your position to the enemy.

Well, truth be told, if they already neutered you, IMO they kinda earned the kill, it's not exactly a freeby.

[Tesunie]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

Sometimes you bring energy weapons, but they get destroyed. I have now put this point in bold in the OP, to make it easier for everyone.

I don't believe I said that... Your quote system may have broken there...

I agree, sometimes you bring in that energy weapon, and it gets destroyed. There was a reason I didn't like many of the Griffins (except for the 3M), that energy arm got blown off a little too easily. (Like a Centurion's ballistic arm...)

[Bulletsponge0]

Necromonger Commander, on 07 October 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

A medium laser weighs a ton and can easily swing a battle. The only mech that cannot add a back up laser is the Catapult A.

If you think your build is so great that it can't drop a ton for ml or a 1/2 ton for a small laser you are probably not as smart as you think you are.

Huggin?
Oxide?

[Bishop Steiner]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

If you have teammates left, yeah. That's true. Although sometimes you're a Victor running around without weapons, and your only remaining teammate is a Raven 3L with 2 ER LL's, who could not give a flying fudge, because he's busy sniping on the other side of the map. In that case, I'd like to just crawl back to base or eject, instead of deliberately suiciding.

Don't get me started on our "amazing Light Snipers", taking the teams ECM and running off to play the epeen stat game. Almost Never actually contribute to the win (note I say almost, as some have actually bird dogged the enemy into splitting as part of the plan, etc), but in truth, 90% of the players I see in these are the epitome of the CoD player mindset polluting this game. (God I wish this actually had become an immersive thinking man's shooter/lite-Sim instead of a slow mo FPS)

Tesunie, on 07 October 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

I don't believe I said that... Your quote system may have broken there...

I agree, sometimes you bring in that energy weapon, and it gets destroyed. There was a reason I didn't like many of the Griffins (except for the 3M), that energy arm got blown off a little too easily. (Like a Centurion's ballistic arm...)

yeah but the Centy has lazors still. =) (well, ok my AH don't, which is why it will always have an XL. Oh wait...all my Centies have XLs and big ballistics anyhow! DOH!!!! )

[Sorbic]

lol I love how predictable people are. Read title, assume much and make misinformed arguments. He said his laser backup was blown off... Reading. It's fundamental.

[Tristan Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 October 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

Well, truth be told, if they already neutered you, IMO they kinda earned the kill, it's not exactly a freeby.

Well, sometimes. Or at least some of them may have taken out my energy weapons and the rest of them survived long enough for me to run out of ammo, for example. But that's not really my point.

If asked "what pleasure do you derive from surviving the match", my retort would be "what pleasure do you derive from destroying an unarmed mech?". Why are you (hypothetical) determined to go looking for someone who can't resist?

And speaking of padding one's KDR, I think we've all seen that greedy ******* diving in front of teammates to take out a disarmed Atlas DDC zombie, even when he did nothing towards disarming him. Just to pad his stats. So it goes both ways.

EDIT: Full disclosure, I've done it myself, sometimes. But I generally try to resist the urge.

Tesunie, on 07 October 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

I don't believe I said that... Your quote system may have broken there...
I agree, sometimes you bring in that energy weapon, and it gets destroyed. There was a reason I didn't like many of the Griffins (except for the 3M), that energy arm got blown off a little too easily. (Like a Centurion's ballistic arm...)

My bad, copy-paste malfunction. And yeah, same here. The Griffin with 4 energy hardpoints in that balsawood arm, for example, is just ridiculous.

Edited by Nicolai Kabrinsky, 07 October 2014 - 10:34 AM.

[Apnu]

When I'm disarmed, and I've still got mates on the field, I try to tank as much as I can. If I can obstruct the enemy's fire so they get cover, I'm still doing a good thing. This usually leads to my death and a better payday for the enemy, but what the hell, I'm taking one for the team.

Now if we still had repair and rearm, that would be a different story.

[Deathlike]

Short answer to the OP's problem: Deal with it.

If you can't muster being some sort of shield for your teammates, you will be padded to someone's K-D stat. You are for all intents and purposes "dead" unless you're some sort of armless Jenner-F running the hell away from contact.

Seriously, it's genuinely not a big deal.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nicolai Kabrinsky, on 07 October 2014 - 10:33 AM, said:

Well, sometimes. Or at least some of them may have taken out my energy weapons and the rest of them survived long enough for me to run out of ammo, for example. But that's not really my point.

If asked "what pleasure do you derive from surviving the match", my retort would be "what pleasure do you derive from destroying an unarmed mech?". Why are you (hypothetical) determined to go looking for someone who can't resist?

And speaking of padding one's KDR, I think we've all seen that greedy ******* diving in front of teammates to take out a disarmed Atlas DDC zombie, even when he did nothing towards disarming him. Just to pad his stats. So it goes both ways.

EDIT: Full disclosure, I've done it myself, sometimes. But I generally try to resist the urge.


My bad, copy-paste malfunction. And yeah, same here. The Griffin with 4 energy hardpoints in that balsawood arm, for example, is just ridiculous.

Only do use the 1S in SMM, which, BTW it is rather good at.
But my 1N has them all there and still does rather well.... 90% of the time (I have been Buffy'd a few times)

http://www.liveleak....=5e4_1308477349

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 07 October 2014 - 10:38 AM.

[Tristan Winter]

Deathlike, on 07 October 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

Short answer to the OP's problem: Deal with it.
If you can't muster being some sort of shield for your teammates, you will be padded to someone's K-D stat.

They'll have to find me first

[Bishop Steiner]

Apnu, on 07 October 2014 - 10:35 AM, said:

When I'm disarmed, and I've still got mates on the field, I try to tank as much as I can. If I can obstruct the enemy's fire so they get cover, I'm still doing a good thing. This usually leads to my death and a better payday for the enemy, but what the hell, I'm taking one for the team.

Now if we still had repair and rearm, that would be a different story.

Yeah, I remember a subset of players in CB, myself included who actually would allow the enemy the opportunity for surrender. Avoid the huge repair bill, and we would just cap the base. The flip side being, if they powered back up, we would give them the largest repair bill possible, write down their name and not give them the option in the future.

(Had a dude in an xl powered AS7k, it was 8v1 at this point, we were in good shape all around. He accepted terms, then powered back up and shot us in the back. We took off every limb, and every component, and gave him the worst repair bill of his life)

Ah, the chivalry of CB!

[Piney II]

When I'm stripped of weapons but still a mobile smoking hulk, I'll gladly be somebody's meat shield. Might as well go down helping the team.

[Helsbane]

Ph30nix, on 07 October 2014 - 09:33 AM, said:

funny but in the end you were the one who chose to not take any back up weapons and to go 100% into the ballistic weapons.

So suck it up buttercup and either go suicide or do your team a favor and act as a meat shield for someone else you shouldn't be going back to base to hide (okay maybe 1 match out of 1000 this is a good idea)

Because honestly they should NEVER allow someone to just ditch a game and get rewards just because they ran out of ammo.
Go ahead and add in a Vote to concede option that requires your team to be losing already and still require X amount of teammates to agree. No suicide.

Wow.... way to not read the entire post.... Try again, without skimming this time, and you'll find several key elements that make the story's point more clear....

[Bishop Steiner]

Helsbane, on 07 October 2014 - 10:44 AM, said:

Wow.... way to not read the entire post.... Try again, without skimming this time, and you'll find several key elements that make the story's point more clear....

eh, also, my most successful IS mech?

No lasers. No PPCs. Don't have the tonnage to make it happen, without major compromises limiting the builds viability. 4x aSRM4, 1x AC10 on my ON1-VA. I go any slower, the mech loses it's ambush ability and escapability. Got no heat sinks to sacrifice, and especially just to run hotter anyhow. Give up ammo? Seems to be counter to the concept,yes?

But since It lays out over 1400 damage before running out of ammo? If I'm out of ammo at the end of the match, chances are I have already done MORE than my share of the heavy lifting, anyhow. But since I regularly break 1000 damage, have my highest damage score (over 1300) and most kills (9) in a match in it? I guess I should redesign it and slap on a Medium Laser somewhere because some Forumite says I am a Bad.

[Almond Brown]

Corbon Zackery, on 07 October 2014 - 09:43 AM, said:

Step one would be to buy a laser.

You can still target enemy mechs and spot for LRMs.

You still have armor and can act as a soak tank for enemy fire helps if you have a laser to distract them.

You can still maneuver creating a false sensor echo or use yourself as bait for a ambush.

Bumping does do damage in some cases.

You can scout and relay enemy positions.

:rolleyes:But really you need to buy a laser.

Did you notice a Black Hole pass your location recently? Had to be a Super Massive one dude. The dense-ity meter just went through the roof.

He had Lasers in a long lost arm.

Edited by Almond Brown, 07 October 2014 - 11:02 AM.

[Bulletsponge0]

I've been rendered weaponless before (in an Ember...lost both arms, 4 lasers gone...ran out of MG ammo) so I rammed an opponent several times.....when a teammate killed that enemy I got a "Kill Assist 1XP"

WIN!!!

[Helsbane]

Bishop Steiner, on 07 October 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

eh, also, my most successful IS mech?

No lasers. No PPCs. Don't have the tonnage to make it happen, without major compromises limiting the builds viability. 4x aSRM4, 1x AC10 on my ON1-VA. I go any slower, the mech loses it's ambush ability and escapability. Got no heat sinks to sacrifice, and especially just to run hotter anyhow. Give up ammo? Seems to be counter to the concept,yes?

But since It lays out over 1400 damage before running out of ammo? If I'm out of ammo at the end of the match, chances are I have already done MORE than my share of the heavy lifting, anyhow. But since I regularly break 1000 damage, have my highest damage score (over 1300) and most kills (9) in a match in it? I guess I should redesign it and slap on a Medium Laser somewhere because some Forumite says I am a Bad.

My two current favorite rides are my SHD 2H with 3xAC2s and 600 rounds, and my Jager DD with quad 2s and 975 rounds. Never underestimate reach or rapid fire. No backup weapons on either, but I'm fine with that. I knew the risks when I built them.