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[Jun Watarase]

The supposedly massive damage against internals obviously does not work in reality...

This would have taken a fraction of time if i had been using a non-LBX 20.

[FupDup]

The only reasonably good LB-X is the LB 5-X, due to its reduced spread and decent upfront damage. The rest...

[Kain Demos]

I messed around with these on the testing grounds and found them to be less than overwhelming as well.

I wish we would get the true Clan versions of these with a toggle between slugs and shot.

[BARBAR0SSA]

Jun Watarase, on 08 October 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

The supposedly massive damage against internals obviously does not work in reality...

This would have taken a fraction of time if i had been using a non-LBX 20.

I think a good majority of it was some rounds+MPLs hitting the Side torso, and then the damage transfer from ST to CT is halved I believe

Eg. 2nd to last LBX shot mabe did 10 dmg, or maybe it counted as ST dmg as it was falling off and then registered as 0 on a falling damaged component like it was a building.

That's about the only way I can see it being "working as intended", falling mech parts count as a barrier until they are on the ground.

Edited by shad0w4life, 08 October 2014 - 11:00 AM.

[AlexEss]

The weapon is more flash than bang (but boy does it thump in a nice way.) and the fact that it is effective in the role of turning internals to confetti... It is way to weak on armour. So you lug around a very heavy gun that can not be used until half the game is over... Make it sub-par...

Does not matter... It is a mech sized shotgun... Hail to the king baby.

Now that would be a fun video to make. A CTF with two of them.. a lot of humanoid mechs(armour reduced for on-screen efficiency ofc) in frankie camo... Halloween movie here we come.

[Odins Fist]

The Clan LBX-20 is a steaming pile of awful...

Used in tandem with other weapons firing and HITTING a light's leg should rip it right off.

RESULT: Light Ran away still had armor on both legs

At 100 meters that shouldn't happen, oh well.

LBX-20 sitting on shelf.

[Zyllos]

Use the Lasers to open up a back port for the LBX to enter and then fire it.

Trust me, it will do MUCH better than way.

[Jun Watarase]

13 rounds at pointblank range to kill a stalker running away that isnt even trying to fight back.

[Bhael Fire]

FupDup, on 08 October 2014 - 10:52 AM, said:

The only reasonably good LB-X is the LB 5-X, due to its reduced spread and decent upfront damage. The rest...

This meme still makes me laugh my asss off whenever I see it.

[Voivode]

That's what shooting a mech from the side does, not all the damage transfers. I think the poster above me hit this one on the head.

[Zyllos]

Odins Fist, on 08 October 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

The Clan LBX-20 is a steaming pile of awful...

Used in tandem with other weapons firing and HITTING a light's leg should rip it right off.

RESULT: Light Ran away still had armor on both legs

At 100 meters that shouldn't happen, oh well.

LBX-20 sitting on shelf.

LBX makes for terrible light leg killers.

LBX is used to destroy internal structure and equipment.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Yeah, I'm not a big fan on the LB-X line. The spread is too big for them to be reliable beyond short range and the extra critical chance doesn't really mean much when internals blow out so quick.

[Felio]

Obviously something with a "burn time" like the clan (U)ACs is going to do better against a stationary target. The LB20-X is devastating for snap hits up close. Surprise! It's a shotgun. It allows you to stay mobile/twisting and deal full damage to a target before it ducks behind cover.

It may not be as good for scoring kills, but it does weaken targets very effectively anywhere in its effective range (360m). Think of it as a big, nasty SRM launcher.

Honestly I hope ammo switching never happens, because ballistics already have an edge as it is. If we can switch from spread to pinpoint ammo, then back again...

[Jun Watarase]

Voivode, on 08 October 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

That's what shooting a mech from the side does, not all the damage transfers. I think the poster above me hit this one on the head.

Except that if it had been a non-LBX AC the shots would have gone straight at the rear CT where i was aiming and he would be dead in two alphas.

Felio, on 08 October 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

Obviously something with a "burn time" like the clan (U)ACs is going to do better against a stationary target. The LB20-X is devastating for snap hits up close. Surprise! It's a shotgun. It allows you to stay mobile/twisting and deal full damage to a target before it ducks behind cover.

It may not be as good for scoring kills, but it does weaken targets very effectively anywhere in its effective range (360m). Think of it as a big, nasty SRM launcher.

Honestly I hope ammo switching never happens, because ballistics already have an edge as it is. If we can switch from spread to pinpoint ammo, then back again...

Uh huh, so you think taking 8+ alphas to kill a target from full hp is better than two shotting it with massive pinpoint damage?

Which is why LBXs are more popular than boating ER PPCs, gauss and UACs right?

Let me know when competitive players start boating LBXs in tournaments.

Edited by Jun Watarase, 08 October 2014 - 11:06 AM.

[Felio]

Jun Watarase, on 08 October 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

13 rounds at pointblank range to kill a stalker running away that isnt even trying to fight back.

To be fair, the Summoner has a quirk that makes it suck at everything.

[AlexEss]

Jun Watarase, on 08 October 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Uh huh, so you think taking 8+ alphas to kill a target from full hp is better than two shotting it with massive pinpoint damage?

As i mentioned... The only real problem is that it is a secondary weapon that weight in at a premium rate. It does what it is supposed to do. (and against lights and fast mediums it is pretty nasty) but no.. you are right.. a pin-poiny weapon does more pin-point damage. But otoh if you miss with that.. you miss. with this you can still score a hit and even rip a limp off with a half-hit.

Different weapons for different tasks and all that.

[Jun Watarase]

True, but its expected that PGI would be terrible at balancing mechs.

[Odins Fist]

Zyllos, on 08 October 2014 - 11:02 AM, said:

LBX makes for terrible light leg killers.

LBX is used to destroy internal structure and equipment.

#1. The LBX in question was NOT used by itself.
#2. Damage calculated with the addtional weapons used FAR exceeds the armor of BOTH of said Light's legs.

Regardless of "LBX makes for terrible light leg killers." statement, damage is damage...

ALSO: LBX-20 does NOT seem to be much of an improvement over LBX-10, and it should.

[Felio]

Jun Watarase, on 08 October 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Uh huh, so you think taking 8+ alphas to kill a target from full hp is better than two shotting it with massive pinpoint damage?

Obviously not, but C-ACs do not have massive pinpoint damage. They are dakka lasers.

If you can keep the crosshair steady on a component for the whole burst, the (U)AC is going to be better every time. If not or you are trying to evade fire, sometimes it's better to do all 20 damage very quickly, as long as it lands somewhere.

Jun Watarase, on 08 October 2014 - 11:06 AM, said:

Which is why LBXs are more popular than boating ER PPCs, gauss and UACs right?

Dual gauss is an abomination that should be put down, I'll give you that.

And critical damage is a joke that should not be considered when balancing weapons.

[Jun Watarase]

Does the clan AC (not UAC) fire one projectile or a burst?