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[Gyrok]

RetroActive, on 08 October 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

You have no idea how dense you sound, do you? All of this debate about the matchmaker change is occurring within the forums. ALL OF IT. There is no interaction with those that play this game, but never visit the forum. They have no way to vote in the poll about this subject.

Russ' decision to roll back the matchmaker change was most likely completely influenced by forum bullying and that poll. 48% is the minority, but I'm not sure you grasp the concept.

I agree that the forumites are a minority of the player base, but a minority of the minority is still the minority.

Edit: For grammar!

Actually they put a link to the poll on the launcher last night, which is likely why more than twice as many people turned out for this.

[jackal404]

Ultimately, I think it is sad how rude things have become towards players who have a different opinion. We were told how to express our displeasure with the game mode change, and then we were assaulted by those who don't believe we're entitled to an opinion.

Whatever your choice is on the issue, you are not helping your cause with your negative statements which are directed at other players. What an environment for a new player to come to.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

HUBA, on 08 October 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

hopefully not, I think it was just a bit to fast implemented. If we had got a real improvement it would be understandable why we have to give up a loved feature, but in this case it looked like nothing changed beside you have to play a game mode you don't want.

But there cant be a testing procedure being that theres not enough ppl for a test server

jackal404, on 08 October 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

Ultimately, I think it is sad how rude things have become towards players who have a different opinion. We were told how to express our displeasure with the game mode change, and then we were assaulted by those who don't believe we're entitled to an opinion.

Whatever your choice is on the issue, you are not helping your cause with your negative statements which are directed at other players. What an environment for a new player to come to.

yussir

[HUBA]

Kaeseblock, on 08 October 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

I'll just leave this here:

>on Reddit pgi_kberg said:
We also have lots of nifty new game-mode stuff that we're working on for CW, and it would be very nice to bring at least some of that back into public queue at some point soon in the form of additional game modes. Hard-constraints are simply not a scalable solution, as every new game mode we add splits the queues further and further. Voting scales without harming match quality as a result.

Source: http://www.reddit.co...m_today/cl44q4c

Thats what I mean if there is a reason or benefit then the most people will understand and accept it.

[Mystere]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Im curious as to when all the ppl doing that Tking/suiciding/etc will be reprimanded for it?

Doing such things for a day would probably not warrant serious and long term repercussions.

[waterfowl]

They should leave it in group queue.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

This is really sad. Honestly sad. Change is never easy but it is something that needs some time to be felt and understood before it can be decided what the real impact is.

The truly sad thing is that we will never know. What if this normalized and people found they were having better games. If people instead of stomping through modes that they felt just suited their style instead learned to be more balanced and better all around pilots. When the day comes for CW and if it has it so that these modes are randomized or bid for with the possibility to get maps that those are ill prepared for they will be crushed. Demolished. Teams that play well (and this is for the group queue) will continue to do so because they over come challenges. The same can be said for the individual pilot as well.

A very sad day. A shame this has been lost to mechwarriors who cannot adjust? How do they even live if they can't handle change?

[RG Notch]

Roadbeer, on 08 October 2014 - 01:13 PM, said:

50/50 split is being bullied?

That's like a Community Manager equating those critical to the game with harassment and misogyny.

Where has our community manager been throughout this whole affair? You would think he would be front and center explaining PGI's side and handling this voting and such. HMMM...

[Foxfire]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 08 October 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

But there cant be a testing procedure being that theres not enough ppl for a test server



yussir

Then incentivize using the test servers when they are up and running important changes.

[Zepster]

Perhaps an in game messaging system of upcoming proposed changes would bring more people to forums to weigh in. As it is now you have a whining minority.

[Rebas Kradd]

Foxfire, on 08 October 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Then incentivize using the test servers when they are up and running important changes.

When it comes to matchmaking changes, there just aren't enough players even amongst the willing test population.

[Foxfire]

Rebas Kradd, on 08 October 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

When it comes to matchmaking changes, there just aren't enough players even amongst the willing test population.

Which is why you offer a little bonus for testing certain updates.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Mystere, on 08 October 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

Doing such things for a day would probably not warrant serious and long term repercussions.

Sadly, this type of attitude is going to ruin the game. There's no cause for people to TK, suicide, or abandon a game where others are depending on them. It's selfish, rude, worthy of the dirtiest of surats but not someone who carries even an ounce of honor in their heart.

Individuals who perform such despicable means instead of trying to overcome deserve a time out because behaviour like that can't be tolerated. It'll only be more pronounced and stronger the next time a segment of the population doesn't get it's way and it's impossible to get one's way all of the time.

The child the flings its poo because it doesn't get a sweet after dinner deserve some time in the timeout box.

[Mystere]

Daisu Saikoro, on 08 October 2014 - 02:03 PM, said:

This is really sad. Honestly sad. Change is never easy but it is something that needs some time to be felt and understood before it can be decided what the real impact is.

The truly sad thing is that we will never know. What if this normalized and people found they were having better games. If people instead of stomping through modes that they felt just suited their style instead learned to be more balanced and better all around pilots. When the day comes for CW and if it has it so that these modes are randomized or bid for with the possibility to get maps that those are ill prepared for they will be crushed. Demolished. Teams that play well (and this is for the group queue) will continue to do so because they over come challenges. The same can be said for the individual pilot as well.

A very sad day. A shame this has been lost to mechwarriors who cannot adjust? How do they even live if they can't handle change?

I think you missed the part where this issue was not actually about L2P.

[Rebas Kradd]

Zepster, on 08 October 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Perhaps an in game messaging system of upcoming proposed changes would bring more people to forums to weigh in. As it is now you have a whining minority.

We need to get out of the majority mindset on this. Driving off 20% of the population is not a financially viable decision for PGI, even if it is a minority. 20% is just a figure I pulled out of my butt, admittedly.

But the point is, the decision wasn't justifiable. People have been leaving the game before, but not for ELO discrepancies. So this move wasn't bringing enough people back to justify driving others off.

This was a matter of gamer choice. That's always going to be tetchy. I'm not always a shill for gamer choice, but I think it should be heeded unless there's a darn good reason. Gamemode voting, to me, was akin to taking out 5-11 man groups last winter, and look what that did.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

Mystere, on 08 October 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

I think you missed the part where this issue was not actually about L2P.

I think you missed the part where I didn't say anything about issue being L2P. Perhaps L2A. Learn to adapt.

[Edit: Perhaps not even L2A, but L2BP ... meh, I'm not a buzz word type of person... Having some patience. Just a little. Give the change a week without all the dumb stuff and then see how it sits. Knee jerk reactionism is the worst kind because it possibly stifles invention and innovation.)

Edited by Daisu Saikoro, 08 October 2014 - 02:13 PM.

[Rebas Kradd]

Foxfire, on 08 October 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Which is why you offer a little bonus for testing certain updates.

You seem to assume that they haven't been doing that. They have. They flood people's PT accounts with 500,000,000 Cbills and like 50,000 GXP to let them buy want they want. I can think of at least two occasions they've done that.

It hasn't been enough.

Edited by Rebas Kradd, 08 October 2014 - 02:11 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Fut, on 08 October 2014 - 11:18 AM, said:

Listening to the people, but ignoring the 1433 people who voted in favour of the change.
All this does is reinforce the idea that if you complain hard enough, you'll get your way.

NO, wrong. it reinforces the idea that if you dont have unanimous support maybe it isnt a good idea...

Edited by DarthRevis, 08 October 2014 - 02:12 PM.

[Alienized]

people dont want to adapt. its out of their minds. they want to have THEIR game. not the game of many others as well.

[Mystere]

Daisu Saikoro, on 08 October 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Sadly, this type of attitude is going to ruin the game. There's no cause for people to TK, suicide, or abandon a game where others are depending on them. It's selfish, rude, worthy of the dirtiest of surats but not someone who carries even an ounce of honor in their heart.

Individuals who perform such despicable means instead of trying to overcome deserve a time out because behaviour like that can't be tolerated. It'll only be more pronounced and stronger the next time a segment of the population doesn't get it's way and it's impossible to get one's way all of the time.

The child the flings its poo because it doesn't get a sweet after dinner deserve some time in the timeout box.

If 100 players did it during a 24-hour period, should PGI really ban them? What about 1,000? 10,000? What should the upper limit be?