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[Lupin]

Seem to have missed the start of this topic:

http://mwomercs.com/...stem-explained/

But I am wonderig why game voting system needed when we can already select game types we want to play? As we are already voting with this option.

Map voting more NEEDED mainly due to maps like River City where drop points badly placed.

Edited by Lupin, 07 October 2014 - 03:35 AM.

[Unnatural Growth]

I was going to start a topic about this myself.

What the H*LL is going on now?!

And where is the announcement IN MWO FORUMS ABOUT THIS?!

My my, they've fallen back into their old ways quickly!



So now we don't even get to pick what game mode we want anymore?

Someone from PGI, want to make an announcement HERE, in oh I don't know, THE F'N OFFICIAL GAME FORUMS about this?

[El Bandito]

OldOrgandonor, on 07 October 2014 - 03:18 AM, said:

I was going to start a topic about this myself.

What the H*LL is going on now?!

And where is the announcement IN MWO FORUMS ABOUT THIS?!

My my, they've fallen back into their old ways quickly!



So now we don't even get to pick what game mode we want anymore?

Someone from PGI, want to make an announcement HERE, in oh I don't know, THE F'N OFFICIAL GAME FORUMS about this?

Chill, it is in the forums.
http://mwomercs.com/...stem-explained/

[Lupin]

El Bandito, on 07 October 2014 - 03:25 AM, said:

Chill, it is in the forums.
http://mwomercs.com/...stem-explained/

I assume original topic has come up somewhere else then, as topic I am taking about is marked explained? Town Hall Meeting On Twitch.tv With Russ - Oct. 2Nd. maybe?

[Fishbulb333]

Would much rather queue a bit longer and guarantee getting the game mode I want to play, than have shorter queue times but be forced to (even occasionally) play crap like Terra Therma or Alpine conquest, or risk getting the bad spawn point on maps like River City skirmish in my dire wolf..

[Chrithu]

http://mwomercs.com/...23#entry3749623

That is the opriginal topic with poll. But basically it was up there too short and didn'T mention the poll in the title. The number of total votes shows pretty clearly that a lot of people missed it. If I was Russ I would do another poll now that he has explained in detail how the mode voting would work.

[Killstorm999999]

It seems like this voting system will cause some game modes to never get played, like Conquest. I myself have it set to never play Conquest, and I gather a lot of people don't like Conquest as well. I guess this wont change things for me as it will still be Skirmish and Assault, but if you like playing Conquest...

Also, it would be the same thing for map voting. I like playing Terra Therma a lot (even if both teams converge in the pug zapper). I just like the heat management, but with map voting I feel that perhaps I would not see Terra Therma very much.

On a side note, I never liked match makers. I would prefer a game browser system. People can set up games with the mode and map selected ( and perhaps even tonnage per side and max players) Then you can join the game with a mech specifically designed for the missions. Half of mechwarrior is about mech design after all.

[Mawai]

Lots of misunderstanding and misinformation ...

1) Your hard choice of game modes is GOING AWAY. You will not be able to specify the modes you will play only a PREFERENCE.

2) The matchmaker builds a team and then looks at the player PREFERENCES for game modes. Every mode has at LEAST one vote. These votes are used to calculate the probability of the game mode that will be used for that match. The matchmaker draws a random number (see Russ' example) and determines the game mode. It could be Skirmish, Assault or Conquest ... EVEN if you have not selected one of those game modes. Your choices will become preference votes ONLY.

3) WHY are they doing this? Apparently the hard game mode selection makes it more difficult to form well balanced matches since you can not draw from the full pool of players when making matches in either the solo or group queues. PGI expects that the standard deviation on Elo in matches should go down ... that teams should be better balanced as a result of removing the hard game mode selection and turning it into a vote.

4) They are considering extending this system (assuming it works) to map selection as well. People would either select the maps they want to play on ... or choose a few that they do not want to play on .. votes would be tallied for all players and the chances for each map calculated ... a map would then be selected randomly using the probability distribution calculated from player preferences.

[Lupin]

Mawai, on 07 October 2014 - 04:54 AM, said:

Lots of misunderstanding and misinformation ...

Thank you. Now that makes a bit more sense.
But seems original poll was missed by a lot players, me included.

But being forced into a shoot-em-up (Skirmish) seems likely to end in reducing number of players AGAIN.
When the whole point of selecting game mode was to get away from that group of players.

[XtremWarrior]

Lupin, on 07 October 2014 - 06:00 AM, said:

Thank you. Now that makes a bit more sense.
But seems original poll was missed by a lot players, me included.

But being forced into a shoot-em-up (Skirmish) seems likely to end in reducing number of players AGAIN.
When the whole point of selecting game mode was to get away from that group of players.

I am not fond of the idea for the same reasons you are, but if the results are more balanced games, i'll be OK with it.

[WarHippy]

XtremWarrior, on 07 October 2014 - 06:29 AM, said:

I am not fond of the idea for the same reasons you are, but if the results are more balanced games, i'll be OK with it.

The difference in Elo really isn't that bad now the way it is, and it is hardly going to see a big enough change in balance with this change to matter. We are still going to have stomps, and people are still going to complain and make excuses as to why, and after the change we will have a lot of people more irritated than they are now. I can't wait for the people willing to give up their choice of game mode for "balance" only to get stomped on a game mode they would prefer not to play. Should make for some great rage posts.

Edited by WarHippy, 07 October 2014 - 08:38 AM.

[Almond Brown]

OldOrgandonor, on 07 October 2014 - 03:18 AM, said:

I was going to start a topic about this myself.

What the H*LL is going on now?!

And where is the announcement IN MWO FORUMS ABOUT THIS?!

My my, they've fallen back into their old ways quickly!



So now we don't even get to pick what game mode we want anymore?

Someone from PGI, want to make an announcement HERE, in oh I don't know, THE F'N OFFICIAL GAME FORUMS about this?

Dude! You should not have donated your Brain...

[Lupin]

Please vote this time around:

http://mwomercs.com/...60#entry3799060

[Mechrophilia]

Can someone tell me where the game mode selection tab even is? I lost it after the UI change and never found it again. I'm really curious to see what I have selected there.

[Belkor]

XtremWarrior, on 07 October 2014 - 06:29 AM, said:

I am not fond of the idea for the same reasons you are, but if the results are more balanced games, i'll be OK with it.

It doesn't bring more balanced games. Most of my games were complete rolls. I just stopped playing after being forced into conquest one too many times.

[Fishbulb333]

Mechrophilia, on 08 October 2014 - 02:13 AM, said:

Can someone tell me where the game mode selection tab even is? I lost it after the UI change and never found it again. I'm really curious to see what I have selected there.

Tiny little arrow between the "store" and "play now" buttons, click on that, brings up a drop down menu. Not much point in it any more though unless you're the leader of an 8-12 man group.

[Unnatural Growth]

Almond Brown, on 07 October 2014 - 08:32 AM, said:

Dude! You should not have donated your Brain...

Nice.

This may actually shock you, but I don't live on the forums. I'm a middle aged family man with a full time job that I've lately been working 12 hr shifts and 6 days a week. So I really don't have time to sit here on the forums, and reddit, and twitter, and twitch tv, and god knows where all else, just in the slightest case that something pertinent and/or important may crop up about this game.

I do like to play casually, but can barely fit in a few games a week, for now, if I'm lucky.

So sorry for missing the hidden message in a bottle that, clearly, many other people missed as well.

All that aside, by checking the link to the "new" poll, which tonight was my first chance to even check back into this mess, I see that Nikko, PGI, et all, have decided to pull the plug on this horrid, knee jerk reaction "fix" to the game. So all this wailing being for naught, lets see what "plan" gets cooked up next.

Thanks for your patience and understanding.