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[Livewyr]

In MWO, eject means you get shot by 4 Large Pulse Lasers simultaneously in the cockpit.

[LordKnightFandragon]

9erRed, on 09 October 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:

Greetings all,

In order for PGI to have an actual 'presentation' to the Pilot of physically ejecting or leaving the Mech they need a few items in place first.

- the simple solution,
~ 'sounds of the event happening'
~ 'darken the view for a second'
~ 'enable advanced spectator mode for 2 seconds' (what we saw in the Tournaments for the commentators)
~ 'quick elevation change, up' (this keeps everything in the current game relevant)
~ 'disable the spectator mode'
~ 'fade to black and enable/fade in the dropship mode selection screen.'

- The more difficult versions requires new animations and art work, but all the engineers and designers are tied up with CW Ph2 now. So much more difficult to complete in the required timeframe.
(this method would need to be a generic eject animation with nothing linked to the environment your currently in. Again, more difficult as there would need to be no view of the cockpit your in or the outside location. Or PGI would need to model the animation to 'call' or reference every Mech cockpit during this effect, and the specific map and direction facing when it happens.)

Just some ideas,
9erRed

Lol, ejection would be the only good thing to come of 3pv.....they would just need to like apply

If Eject, apply 3pv....vastly speed up the rate at which we enter 3pv, ofc, add the cockpit roof flying off and us being shot out and all that fun jazz....but yeah, its the only use for the 3pv mode...

[Xtrekker]

Wait, aren't we supposed to eject, then fight another battle as battle armor?



I can't ever let that design decision go. "Battle armor isn't a vehicle." Pfft. (If you aren't familiar with MWLL, the BA was the player model.)

[Mechsniper]

Let us have eject animation FTW!!! The people are speaking!!!

[Darth Futuza]

Rouken, on 09 October 2014 - 10:58 AM, said:

Maybe its just me, but I really need this song to start playing when I eject:

LOL. The memories.

[Sirius Drake]

Because this game has no more important things to work on than a eject animation.

[Spawnsalot]

While I can see there are certain situations where it will be useful, just be ready for the waves of "OMG my team sux! Ejecting!".

[BOWMANGR]

Am I the only one who just expects the pilot ejection implementation to be a UI message about Ejecting and just showing the death screen afterwards? I don't get from the official post any vibes at all about making new graphics and/or animations for ejecting. I'm all for animated ejection with UI messages and Bitching Betty warnings, don't get me wrong, but maybe you are just hoping really hard for things that just won't be there?

Edited by BOWMANGR, 10 October 2014 - 01:46 AM.

[Sirius Drake]

Stolen from the FAQ:

"What about a few sweet animations/short vids before/after a planetary fight? You know, stuff like turrets aiming in the sky, shooting at dropships or hangars where pilots climb in their mechs. Just to add more style and eye candy.

This is something we'd love to do but they're expensive to create and very time consuming on the dev team. Yes we could reuse in-game assets but some of those assets would have to be re-modelled (the pilot for example) because they're very low poly or missing big chunks of geometry. While we explore PVE content in 2015, this may return as something we could do to really sell the feeling of a planetary battle about to kick off."

An eject animation will ecounter roughly the same problems.
So we will have to wait a bit more for that.

[Lily from animove]

Sadist Cain, on 09 October 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

I believe a ballistic impact sound effect would go very nicely in there xD Whooooooshhhhhh...*Donk*

more like a wet sandbag sound

[Kjudoon]

Gooooooooooooooose!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!

[xengk]

Cion, on 09 October 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Please do a "self destruct" instead of just a simple eject.

A pogo stick mech still has a nuke reactor. Yeah I know we all want to see a nuke explosion, but that won't happen (locustmeddon literally). Just make the self destruct do like 10 damage to give incentive for people to kill you.

The most important reason is the following :
hearing Betty say
"self destruct initiated"

Awesome. One can dream right?

Make self destruct deal splash damage too.
And make sure to use the input command from Mechwarrior 2, Ctrl + Alt + X.

Edited by xengk, 10 October 2014 - 01:43 AM.

[Dauphni]

Cion, on 09 October 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

A pogo stick mech still has a nuke reactor. Yeah I know we all want to see a nuke explosion, but that won't happen (locustmeddon literally). Just make the self destruct do like 10 damage to give incentive for people to kill you.

I see people saying this a lot, but it doesn't really make sense. Mechs are powered by nuclear reactors yes, but they're fusion not fission. Fusion reactors just don't explode like mini nukes, they're not built that way. Remember, H-bombs can only reach their vast destructive qualities because they're primed by fission bombs to get the fusion reaction going. While fission reactors operate off essentially the same principles as fission bombs but at a much slower pace, fusion reactors work completely differently and are actually quite finicky and need constant effort to keep going. Once they get upset the reaction stops entirely and the engine fizzles, at worst releasing a burst of hot engine plasma. Which in lore is what flamers and jump jets are powered off. You wouldn't want to get caught in that naked, but a Mech has no trouble at all withstanding it. So yeah, having a eject/self-destruct mechanism implemented the way they described it makes complete sense.

[Darklord]

From Battletech Sarna

"Fusion engines usually will only shut down if damaged or if heat is uncontrolled. Unlike popular belief, there is absolutely no risk of a fusion engine accidentally becoming a nuclear weapon. ^[17] There have been a number of cases of fusion engines being "over revved" and exploding with devastating force, but this is more akin to a boiler explosion than a true nuclear explosion. More often a destroyed engine will be punctured by weapons fire. Because the plasma is held in a vacuum chamber (to isolate the superheated plasma from the cold walls of the reactor; contact with the walls would super-chill the plasma below fusion temperatures), a punctured reactor can suck in air where the air is superheated. Normal thermal expansion of the air causes the air to burst out in a brilliant lightshow often mistaken for a "nuclear explosion". This thermal expansion damages anything within 90 meters of the destroyed 'Mech.
Such dramatic failures are rare, though. It is difficult to sustain the fusion reaction and very easy to shut down. Safety systems or damage to containment coils will almost always shut down the engine before such an explosion occurs. The massive shielding of the engine (in the case of standard fusion engines, this is a tungsten carbide shell that accounts for over 2/3 of the weight of the engine) usually buys the safety systems the milliseconds needed to shutdown the engine when severe damage is inflicted. "

[9erRed]

Greetings all,

Reference the eject and a second or more of Pilot view time that could be modeled.

- This is not the 3dPv we have in game now.
- It's the 'player base' unseen 'free flight camera' that is being worked on.
- It has all the capabilities to move any direction, and would provide a great Mech down view, roof top to high altitude view for that few seconds.

If you watched any of the past streamed tournaments the commentators used a Dev. version of this. They had free flight movement to any elevation and could switch into any Mech (what we see in game) as spectators.
- This would be an effective and easy method to use to duplicate an eject, linking in a Mech headshot explosion as it happened.

Here an example, the first 20 seconds of this tourney, the camera goes from inside the cockpit to elevation.
- Fine tune this and there's your eject.



9erRed

Edited by 9erRed, 10 October 2014 - 04:04 AM.

[Sadist Cain]

Sirius Drake, on 10 October 2014 - 12:50 AM, said:

Stolen from the FAQ:

"What about a few sweet animations/short vids before/after a planetary fight? You know, stuff like turrets aiming in the sky, shooting at dropships or hangars where pilots climb in their mechs. Just to add more style and eye candy.

This is something we'd love to do but they're expensive to create and very time consuming on the dev team. Yes we could reuse in-game assets but some of those assets would have to be re-modelled (the pilot for example) because they're very low poly or missing big chunks of geometry. While we explore PVE content in 2015, this may return as something we could do to really sell the feeling of a planetary battle about to kick off."

An eject animation will ecounter roughly the same problems.
So we will have to wait a bit more for that.

I did see that but at the same time I think ther effect can be achieved without too much heavy load, in comparison to short cutscenes and the like.
If you have a butchers through you'll see somewhere he talks about the dropships and animations being worked on for that already, that would be something closer to creating the eject effect and maybe even turn out some results thatll make added a more immersive ejection possible.

Kjudoon, on 10 October 2014 - 01:28 AM, said:

Gooooooooooooooose!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!

Still laughing, it hurts.

9erRed, on 10 October 2014 - 03:58 AM, said:

Greetings all,

Reference the eject and a second or more of Pilot view time that could be modeled.

- This is not the 3dPv we have in game now.
- It's the 'player base' unseen 'free flight camera' that is being worked on.
- It has all the capabilities to move any direction, and would provide a great Mech down view, roof top to high altitude view for that few seconds.

If you watched any of the past streamed tournaments the commentators used a Dev. version of this. They had free flight movement to any elevation and could switch into any Mech (what we see in game) as spectators.
- This would be an effective and easy method to use to duplicate an eject, linking in a Mech headshot explosion as it happened.

Here an example, the first 20 seconds of this tourney, the camera goes from inside the cockpit to elevation.
- Fine tune this and there's your eject.



9erRed

Now that's the ticket right there. I've not used cryengine but it does strike me that there's enough things lying around to bodge together a pretty fine eject sequence with minimal effort.

[CDLord HHGD]

Heffey, on 09 October 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

I have more of a problem with Paul not knowing what the O key already does...

[LordMelvin]

Xtrekker, on 09 October 2014 - 07:53 PM, said:

Wait, aren't we supposed to eject, then fight another battle as battle armor?



I can't ever let that design decision go. "Battle armor isn't a vehicle." Pfft. (If you aren't familiar with MWLL, the BA was the player model.)

That was always terrifying. Ejecting into a firefight and dodging PPC and AC rounds as only a BA. Running around the ankles of assaults and piggybacking on heavies.

I loved MWLL.

[wanderer]

Fun note: An intergrated armor/cockpit system eventually does exist- but it's not till the Word Of Blake and their heavily-cybered-up pilots integrate the two in a special control system.

Prior to that, you're either in an ejection seat or starting with the Hatchetman, the entire head section is ejected from the rest of the 'Mech, giving a pilot better odds of survival.

[Xtrekker]

LordMelvin, on 10 October 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:

That was always terrifying. Ejecting into a firefight and dodging PPC and AC rounds as only a BA. Running around the ankles of assaults and piggybacking on heavies.

I loved MWLL.

Yeah, but you have to admit, there in the beginning every duel ended in a BA duel. In fact many just used their mech as a mode of transportation for the BA. Ride out, pop 1, pop 2, BA duel, winner gets back in his mostly undamaged mech. At least until they added the cockpit damage. I loved MWLL too, but that was one disconnect that really broke immersion for me. BA was fun as hell on its own and deserved to be a vehicle.

BA was even more fun with the claw worked. Seems like collision damage is a pain for both games...MWLL's BA claw, and MWO's knockdowns.

Sorry OP, didn't mean to derail.