37 replies to this topic

[Lil Cthulhu]

Now that you're listening to the community again and actually taking polls in to consideration, how about opening a poll about ghost heat removal.

[FupDup]

The results of such a poll would probably be quite predictable...

[Sirius Drake]

No. More. Polls.
At least not on Gamemechanics.

[TyphonCh]

That would be a one sided vote.
And given how well the last poll worked, game mechanics shouldn't be decided by the community. We're here to provide feed back on the game not tell them how to make it.
We're good for 3 things: Polls, Populating test servers, And bitching about changes. Lol.. We're really good at that

Edited by Team Chevy86, 09 October 2014 - 05:40 AM.

[Savage Wolf]

Don't ask questions that the players aren't qualified to answer. I have seen few people understand what Ghost Heat is supposed to do, all they care about is that they don't like it. Russ have tried to explain it many times, but people continue to ask.

So until such a time as players all know game design, don't ask difficult questions like these.

And it seems Russ or Niko needs some reading up on user test and how to do and read them.

[Xarian]

Game design by democracy is the stupidest kind of game design. The poll thing only works for things like mechs or new map styles.

[Sirius Drake]

Xarian, on 09 October 2014 - 05:28 AM, said:

Game design by democracy is the stupidest kind of game design. The poll thing only works for things like mechs or new map styles.

And at the moment i even doubt that.
Lets see how this BK/Grasshopper 49,99 to 50,01 turns out.

[Joseph Mallan]

Savage Wolf, on 09 October 2014 - 05:00 AM, said:

Don't ask questions that the players aren't qualified to answer. I have seen few people understand what Ghost Heat is supposed to do, all they care about is that they don't like it. Russ have tried to explain it many times, but people continue to ask.

So until such a time as players all know game design, don't ask difficult questions like these.

And it seems Russ or Niko needs some reading up on user test and how to do and read them.

Problem is there is place for GH in this universe. 3 Vats of solutions kept at 130 degrees in a confined space, and the ambient temp is only 7 degrees higher than outside the room. GH Would have the room at 170 degrees or higher!

[Jonny Taco]

Xarian, on 09 October 2014 - 05:28 AM, said:

Game design by democracy is the stupidest kind of game design. The poll thing only works for things like mechs or new map styles.

I generally agree with this however in an ideal (unrealistic) situation where ever person voting has complete understanding of the pros and cons of the polled mechanic the results could be useful. In terms of reality though? Based on the general gaming level of play in this community... Most polls actually cause more harm than good. I'd rather people that actually no what they are talking about be involved in game development, not mobs of under hive plebs.

[Lord de Seis]

I don't want to see Ghost Heat removed..... Are you insane? Were you not around for the lameness that was 4 and 6 PPC stalkers? The system works well for the game, unless they go the route of hard point size restrictions ghost heat is a good solution to limit boating.

Edited by Lord de Seis, 09 October 2014 - 05:39 AM.

[Xanquil]

A more interesting question would be:
Replace ghostheat with a COF for firing multiple weapons at once.
Or increase ghost heat to cause damage to mech when exceeding "alpha cap".

I wonder what the vote would look like on that poll?

[CDLord HHGD]

Problem is, no matter what your thought are on GH, it was implemented to solve a problem. In lieu of GH, what do you propose replace it, to resolve the problem it was supposed to address. And don't say there is no problem, there is, and denying it would only serve to ID your abuse of the problem mechanics.

[Xarian]

Sirius Drake, on 09 October 2014 - 05:32 AM, said:

And at the moment i even doubt that.
Lets see how this BK/Grasshopper 49,99 to 50,01 turns out.

I see your point, but I'm not talking about an "A or B" system. I mean like, if they gave us a list of 20 mechs, polls would work really well to narrow that down to 1-3 choices.

[PappySmurf]

Hey Russ make a poll on valid reason to bann a forum member? Im sure the one you banned my brother under would not even be in the poll.(banning a players family for having multiple playing and posting accounts on one computer is not a valid reason to ban players).


P.S as to ghost heat I don't mind it so much as it keeps boating down but I would lik to see PGI fix all the heat sinks single and double so they regenerate your heat cooling capability a bit faster.

Edited by PappySmurf, 09 October 2014 - 07:28 AM.

[Dracol]

hmmm... how would this go?

Initial poll: 70%+ agree it should be removed
Ghost heat removed from game
QQ and threats to quit ensue after people get killed by Novas , PPC Stalkers/Direwhales and other boats in a fraction of the time they are currently dieing in.
New poll goes up: Initial overwhelming majority is lost, ghost heat reinstated

[Mcgral18]

Why don't we start small; removal of extra heat on every small and medium laser in the game.

Yes, even the Pulse variety.

[Tombstoner]

Lord de Seis, on 09 October 2014 - 05:39 AM, said:

I don't want to see Ghost Heat removed..... Are you insane? Were you not around for the lameness that was 4 and 6 PPC stalkers? The system works well for the game, unless they go the route of hard point size restrictions ghost heat is a good solution to limit boating.

I hate square pegging the round hole, but PGI created the 4/6 ppc stalker design problem. Sadly since PGI is unwilling to changes things only add to the problem.... GH is here to stay.

[Lord de Seis]

Tombstoner, on 09 October 2014 - 07:26 AM, said:

I hate square pegging the round hole, but PGI created the 4/6 ppc stalker design problem. Sadly since PGI is unwilling to changes things only add to the problem.... GH is here to stay.

Ghost heat is not as terrible as people make it out to be, it effectively solves the problem of boating and still allows players quite a bit of freedom in customization.

Edited by Lord de Seis, 09 October 2014 - 02:12 PM.

[JohnnyWayne]

Heat scale is here to stay and it is a good thing.

[Lily from animove]

ask anyone to set taxes to 0% and you will have a majority. Because they don't know how stuff works and that what they vote for would not even work.

Sure ghost heat is not a working thing at all, but without having a better designed solution there is no need to remove it. GH works and does some good things buit has inconsitencies. why can i not spam 9 CERML and get penalised while i can spam 5 CERMl + 2 CLPL? that makes no sense because if I get the choice to face an opponent with 7 CERML or the other combo, I woud say 7 CERML are less a threat. Then people can still combine crazy stuff being worse than anything else.