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[Mad Ox]

I am sure its been brought up but doing a few searches not finding anything that sticks out.

Has there been any mention of Game Modes, Weekend Specials, Throwback Thursdays etc where only the 3025 tech and Mechs would be allowed.

- No DHS
- No Pulse
- No ER
- No Streak
- No Artemis
- No Gauss
- No Endo/Ferro
- No LBX
- No Uac
- No XL Engine
- No Clan

Yes I know most of this was technically in exsistance majority was lost technology or so rare it was basically un heard of. Made for a very different game style in Battletech.

Think would be fun to have a throw back to these times from time to time.

[CDLord HHGD]

Closest is Stock Mech Mondays methinks. I'm unable to participate personally but I am sure someone who does will be along to give you the info.

[Mad Ox]

Stock mech Mondays sounds interesting.

[LordKnightFandragon]

should be the new game mode just for those of you who want stock mechs and old school...

Stock Mech game mode

Old School game mode(basically the OP)


Me personally, I cant stand IS equipment and now that ive got my Warhawk, I just cant play IS anymore......happens every time.....IS is all w/e it is until clans come out then I cant use IS anymore, Clans are just to awesome with that space saving technology.

Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 13 October 2014 - 08:31 AM.

[Lord de Seis]

I would love stock only matches, dunno how doable 3025 tech is but I would be for that too.

Edited by Lord de Seis, 13 October 2014 - 08:34 AM.

[EgoSlayer]

Mad Ox, on 10 October 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

I am sure its been brought up but doing a few searches not finding anything that sticks out.

Has there been any mention of Game Modes, Weekend Specials, Throwback Thursdays etc where only the 3025 tech and Mechs would be allowed.

- No DHS
- No Pulse
- No ER
- No Streak
- No Artemis
- No Gauss
- No Endo/Ferro
- No LBX
- No Uac
- No XL Engine
- No Clan

Yes I know most of this was technically in exsistance majority was lost technology or so rare it was basically un heard of. Made for a very different game style in Battletech.

Think would be fun to have a throw back to these times from time to time.

The match maker, at least currently, doesn't have any ability to filter or restrict people's equipment on their mechs. I suspect it would be some pretty heavy changes to add these types of filters to the match maker, although I think it's a good idea.

I think that is one possibly very cool aspect of the CW seasons, they can be "historic" relative to the current time line like have a season that is the 3025 Succession war for example.

[Escef]

I forsee 3M Banshees boating MLs and heat sinks to be the powerhouses.

[Sirius Drake]

Mad Ox, on 10 October 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

I am sure its been brought up but doing a few searches not finding anything that sticks out.

Has there been any mention of Game Modes, Weekend Specials, Throwback Thursdays etc where only the 3025 tech and Mechs would be allowed.

- No DHS
- No Pulse
- No ER
- No Streak
- No Artemis
- No Gauss
- No Endo/Ferro
- No LBX
- No Uac
- No XL Engine
- No Clan

Yes I know most of this was technically in exsistance majority was lost technology or so rare it was basically un heard of. Made for a very different game style in Battletech.

Think would be fun to have a throw back to these times from time to time.

Exclude Clan players?
Sounds valid.
Oo

[Scratx]

Sirius Drake, on 13 October 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

Exclude Clan players?
Sounds valid.
Oo

If you want, you can start a Clan Stock Mech <insert day> to cater for the Clan players. Unless there already is one?

You can't possibly mix clan stock against IS stock and not make it a 5v12 to make it an even fight....

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Still don't understand why PGI doesn't do this. I don't think it would cull enough people from the main queue's to be an issue and could bring back a good amount of people to play.

[Xtrekker]

I'm sure it's already been discussed before, but is PGI planning on ever resetting the timeline during the course of CW? Or is it assumed that we theoretically would just advance along to post-Jihad (unpopular) stuff?

The reason I ask is because if there ever was a notion to reset the timeline, it might be useful to know when weapons/chassis were introduced on a per-item basis so that the system could determine if a build was valid for the proposed date. This would easily pave the way for tech restricted matches if people wanted to run a a 3025 night or similar event.

Edited by Xtrekker, 13 October 2014 - 09:19 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Mad Ox, on 10 October 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

I am sure its been brought up but doing a few searches not finding anything that sticks out.

Has there been any mention of Game Modes, Weekend Specials, Throwback Thursdays etc where only the 3025 tech and Mechs would be allowed.

- No DHS
- No Pulse
- No ER
- No Streak
- No Artemis
- No Gauss
- No Endo/Ferro
- No LBX
- No Uac
- No XL Engine
- No Clan

Yes I know most of this was technically in exsistance majority was lost technology or so rare it was basically un heard of. Made for a very different game style in Battletech.

Think would be fun to have a throw back to these times from time to time.

but clans existed before 3025

[Lynx7725]

I've personally tried taking only Level 1 tech into PUG queues -- this was before Clantech came in. Took a Cataphract with no upgrades at all, basic ACs, etc.

I can tell you, even between Level 1 tech and Level 2 IS tech, there is a huge performance difference. You really have to be very good at reading the game and running away early -- remember, no XL engine, so heavier STDs and slower. I could make it work... but it was very uphill. I won't even try Level 1 vs. Clantech.

Level 1 vs Level 1 would be of course easier, but it would still be quite a challenge. I'm not sure you'd actually call it fun after you tried it, but it would definitely be very challenging.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

See... this is what I wanted to begin with. And where MWO should have started.

3025 era Battletech has basic tech, had we gotten that implimented and balanced properly, we wouldn't have half the problems with balance we do now.

instead, the devs knew they could milk clans, and decided to place us in 3050 era.

That being said... I'd love to do 3025 era matches, soo much. But one of the things I'd want in place is some form of limiting on customization. While I like the idea of "Stock Mech Monday" [which I need to see about getting in on.] A lot of battlemechs in their stock configurations just don't quite do it for me. I need a bit of customization.
But, I never customize with the intent to make a "broken" mech. We all know the munchkin way to optimize a mech till it has no semlance of it's role anymore. We've all done it, and do it almost every time we build a mech.

But what about if I want to say, drop a medium laser for an additional heatsink? Or drop an AC20 to an AC10 so I can upgrade a medium laser to a Large? There's noting in place for me to do "minor" changes to a mech in stock mech monday. And that irks me, because many of the mechs I love are almost perfect for my play style, but I need minor tweaks of weapon systems to get them where I want them.

the CN9-A is a great example. http://mwo.smurfy-ne...lab#i=7&l=stock

and here's what I'd do to the CN9-A http://mwo.smurfy-ne...8edb42366a95e6a

The basic idea of the mech is kept, I gain a little extra range with the AC, but loose some overall firepower. I raise the heat effencency slightly, and redistribute and raise the armor to better levels. Nothing else is touched, the engine is the same, simply a change to the Auto Cannon to a lower rating, and a redistribution of ammo location and armor values.

Yet I can't do that with stock mech mondays, because that's not stock, even though I'm not munchkining the build, and I'm not exploting any mechanics to make some grossly overpowered boat.

Yet we have no system to make "Validated" variants for custom gamemodes, it requires everyone be honorable, and follow the agreement. There is no way to check the variant in custom games. And I think that's something that needs to happen. Whoever is hosting a custom match, should be able to "Verify" the loadouts of all mechs present in the match. [perhaps put in a toggle that must be set on when creating the room, and a visual indicator for other players that the toggle is enabled, for fairness of competitive leagues.] That way, you can essentially have a GM governing builds, so you dont have to worry about the munchkin who figured out how to take a 4ppc awesome that is almost heat neutral. [yes I know, practically impossible with SHS, but I remember discussions about getting it to work WAY back when.]

If we could get something like this, then I'd be quite the happy mechwarrior.

[CDLord HHGD]

Lily from animove, on 13 October 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

but clans existed before 3025

And the gear the Wolf's Dragoons use isn't onmitech either....

[Desolator]

Sirius Drake, on 13 October 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

Exclude Clan players?
Sounds valid.
Oo

Well since you have a Legendary Founders tag, you are hardly a clan only player.

Also since he is asking for a time period based event, Clans didnt exist at that time, so yes it is completely valid to exclude something that didn't exist.

If you don't like it, don't choose to play in the event....

[DamnCatte]

Reminds me of the last few days of closed beta. We had some of this stuff, but it was IS only, and no DHS. It was klunky, everything ran hot, and if you messed up, you fell on your aft end. It felt more like Battletech.

[Dulahan]

I'd go so far as to say a "3025" mode would be wonderful for newer players too. It would let them play against mechs not so hyper twinked and expensive. While learning some real good skills like Heat Management before they get the stuff that makes them great too.

And that said? I'd love a 3025 tech level mode if it were possible. It would be fun. I'd just hope we had a 'separate' tab for builds for said mode so we wouldn't have to waste money doing so. Still, I would love the mode.

[Mad Ox]

As pointed be actually real good for new players to ease into game. Making big damamge weapons much rarer leading to Alpha insta-dead being harder to pull off.

Nothing more dis-heartening to start new game trying to learn things and walk into some min maxed Dire Whale or Timber Wolf and be dead 5 seconds latter.

3025 tech would slow things down a bit. I doubt they could make it a constant state of game but an occasional weekend event or something like that.

Could be done many ways in game from allowing full customizing within the 3025 constraints to forcing the mech regardless of your configuration for regular game to use its stock load out.

Clan could do something similar but allow clan only mechs for event.

As an old school gamer always loved the old 3025 battletech made for much more indepth games. Very few weapons could kill in a single shot (Head shot with AC20 about the only for sure way back then, though MWO does double armor values from Battletech values to increase length of life a good amount) really had to work that heat scale.

People laugh at a AWE-8Q but drop it back into a time were its a monster and watch out. Loved this mech in 3025 rules 3 PPC's and a whole 2 on heat scale it was evil.

All in all think would add a fun break from the normal grind something to get the creative juices flowing in another way.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lord de Seis, on 13 October 2014 - 08:34 AM, said:

I would love stock only matches, dunno how doable 3025 tech is but I would be for that too.

It's quite doable....as long as everyone is running it. It's actually a heck of a lot more fun