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[1985]

Just to clarify: does this mean that the AC20 fires faster? or slower?


HBK-4G
Additional Armor (RT) +18
Additional Structure (RT) +12
AC/20 Range +25%
AC/20 Cooldown +25%
AC/20 Velocity +25%
Energy Weapon Heat Gen -12%
Energy Weapon Range +16%

Edited by 1985, 17 October 2014 - 06:57 PM.

[oneproduct]

Faster.

[FupDup]

I think/hope it's a typo. Otherwise, every single cooldown quirk he listed in that thread would be a nerf...ouch.


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[Hatachi]

Personally I'm fine with adding bonuses to anything other than projectile speed. My main issue with it is causing newbies having trouble understanding why the amount they need to lead with for the same weapon is different on two mechs.

[BARBAR0SSA]

No he's right, the cooldown is increased 25%(1 second) or else the energy weapon heat gen is a negative quirk adding %16 heat,

[Mercules]

Hatachi, on 17 October 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

Personally I'm fine with adding bonuses to anything other than projectile speed. My main issue with it is causing newbies having trouble understanding why the amount they need to lead with for the same weapon is different on two mechs.

Because the text on the mech says so? If they can't read... well... maybe they shouldn't be playing a game that might require that?

[Hatachi]

My point wasn't that they can't read and understand that the bullet moves quicker. My point was the bonus could feel more like a negative if they feel they have to relearn a weapon because the lead time is different. I'll drop it after this post. I honestly don't feel that strongly one way or another. I was just trying to play devil's advocate and show what could possibly be construed as the bonus feeling like more like an annoyance than an advantage.

[UnknownSeeker]

I believe Russ has already stated that none of the mechs are going to be getting bad quirks. Which leads me to believe that this quirk will be stated similarly to how the cool down modules are described as a decrease of XX%. Which means the Hunchback 4G will probably be OP.

Spoiler

So Clan AC/20s are so OP because they take up one less slot, weigh 2 less tons, and have an additional 33% range. So in order to balance this you make them cost twice as much, increase the cool down by 17.5% (which in turn decreases the DPS down to 4.26 (down from 5) or by 17.3%), and on top of all that you make them spit out 5 projectiles to spread the damage around.

So now your are going to turn the already superior IS AC/20 in the Hunchback 4G into an even better weapon. You are going to give it a 25% range boost so that it is just less than 24 meters different in range to the clan's AC/20. You are going to boost the cool down by 25% so that it has a DPS of 6.667 (so up by 33% vs. stock IS and 56.5% vs stock Clan) and on top of all of that it is still going to use a single projectile (and if you use the level 5 cool down module for additional 12% you get a DPS of 7.936, up by 58% vs. stock IS.) Not even to mention that you are going significantly boost the hitpoints of the RT so that it is even harder to take out the AC/20, have it fire at a 25% faster velocity which will make it even easier to use compared to the clans AC/20, and decently buff any energy weapons the mech carries.

Edited by UnknownSeeker, 17 October 2014 - 08:22 PM.

[Tezcatli]

Hatachi, on 17 October 2014 - 07:36 PM, said:

My point wasn't that they can't read and understand that the bullet moves quicker. My point was the bonus could feel more like a negative if they feel they have to relearn a weapon because the lead time is different. I'll drop it after this post. I honestly don't feel that strongly one way or another. I was just trying to play devil's advocate and show what could possibly be construed as the bonus feeling like more like an annoyance than an advantage.

If they're new, they'll have to learn the function of all the weapons anyway. At best I think it warrants a distinction. But ultimately it's like having to learn a new weapon. After the first match, they'll better understand the difference.