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[XX Sulla XX]

I know they have pushed back the quirk changes but why not go ahead and remove the Victor quirks next patch. There is nothing that needs testing. Nothing unknown just put it back like it was. Would only be a couple of week before the other quirks come out.

[Christof Romulus]

XX Sulla XX, on 15 October 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

I know they have pushed back the quirk changes but why not go ahead and remove the Victor quirks next patch. There is nothing that needs testing. Nothing unknown just put it back like it was. Would only be a couple of week before the other quirks come out.

Oh ho no you don't!

You sit and wait for your quirks like the rest of us. Victors come in as tier 1 mechs without negative quirks - which means that your quirks, which is what we're all waiting for, are the removal of the negatives.

Keep your pants on, be patient.

[Xarian]

I agree with the OP. Some mechs have quirks completely nailed down - those mechs should get their quirks early. However, we don't know for sure what will happen with the Victor quirks - PGI stated that they will remove the negative quirks and nothing else, but we won't know that until after it's done.

[XX Sulla XX]

Thats stated all they are doing to the Victor is removing quirks. So might as well do it now

[Troutmonkey]

Christof Romulus, on 15 October 2014 - 03:05 PM, said:

Victors come in as tier 1 mechs without negative quirks

Actually I believe they stated they listed Victors under tier 1 under the assumption that the negative quirks were removed. They're certainly not tier 1 with them, and I don't see that many out.

Who knows though, with how much PPC and JJ's have changed since the original nerfing, it might be that the Victor isn't that great anymore even with the nerfs removed

[Alek Ituin]

Troutmonkey, on 15 October 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

Actually I believe they stated they listed Victors under tier 1 under the assumption that the negative quirks were removed. They're certainly not tier 1 with them, and I don't see that many out.

Who knows though, with how much PPC and JJ's have changed since the original nerfing, it might be that the Victor isn't that great anymore even with the nerfs removed

Victor's are still the ******* child of an Atlas and a Shawk, even with these nerfs.

I find them to be a more challenging opponent than most other Assaults, they're still fairly mobile.

[XX Sulla XX]

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Actually I believe they stated they listed Victors under tier 1 under the assumption that the negative quirks were removed. They're certainly not tier 1 with them, and I don't see that many out.

Who knows though, with how much PPC and JJ's have changed since the original nerfing, it might be that the Victor isn't that great anymore even with the nerfs removed

Its not going to be great at jump sniping as nothing is now. But it will work well as a brawler.

[Dock Steward]

[WarZ]

I say no. Do not remove the negative quirks. Its still a bit OP as it is. Enjoy what you've got.

[Macster16]

OP? After the JJ nerfs, I haven't found Victors to be anywhere near as intimidating as they were before. I generally find Stalkers and DDCs more problematic to be honest.

[Xtrekker]

Macster16, on 15 October 2014 - 08:20 PM, said:

OP? After the JJ nerfs, I haven't found Victors.

Corrected your post.

[Macster16]

Eh, I do see the rare one here and there and it's like seeing some sort of ghost of past yonder, a glimpse into a bygone era....

Edited by Macster16, 15 October 2014 - 09:01 PM.

[Glythe]

Other than suiting your fancy it would be pointless to give the victor quirks until all the IS mechs have quirks.

[Mcgral18]

Glythe, on 15 October 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

Other than suiting your fancy it would be pointless to give the victor quirks until all the IS mechs have quirks.

Other than making the 80 tonner not turn like a 100 tonner.

That's all this quirk is fixing; it's removing a nerf, not giving it a buff.

[Glythe]

Mcgral18, on 15 October 2014 - 09:23 PM, said:

That's all this quirk is fixing; it's removing a nerf, not giving it a buff.

But as you point out it clearly would be a buff because it would perform better than it does now. Why give one IS mech a buff before all the buffs are ready? What possible purpose could it serve?

They already know how to fix that mech. They're trying to decide how to fix the rest of them. They don't want to gather a bunch of metrics about the one IS mech they already know would be competitive once it gets fixed. They want to know how ALL the IS mechs will play once they get their buffs.

It makes perfect sense..... so suck it up and wait like the rest of us.

[XX Sulla XX]

It would help IS to do this. We know its not broken so does not need testing. It would help all the people that paid for Victors

[Sarlic]

Then i am going to whine as well. The Atlas needs a better tier.

What? You do it, then i may do it as well.

Please be patience......

Edited by Sarlic, 15 October 2014 - 11:18 PM.

[Macster16]

Glythe, on 15 October 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

Other than suiting your fancy it would be pointless to give the victor quirks until all the IS mechs have quirks.

Dunno if this was in response to me, but if it was - I don't fancy the Victor, even before all the nerfs. I tried to get into them last year back when Victors reigned supreme by buying the 9S, but sold it because it didn't suit my playstyle. So even if the nerfs were reversed, I still probably wouldn't get into them so I'm not arguing to suit myself when I suggest the nerfs should be reversed.

Call it what you want, but IMO, in its current iteration, the Victor is in need of improvements. What made it so good before? Its JJ maneuverability and its poptart potential. But with nerfs to JJs, nerfs to PPCs, clamp down on the poptart playstyle along with specific nerfs targetted at the chassis specifically to top it all off, the mech got shafted too badly and reversing the nerfs would be a good place to start IMO to make it viable without making it OP again.

Edited by Macster16, 15 October 2014 - 11:27 PM.