28 replies to this topic

[Ph30nix]

only thing i can 100% agree with is the Timber being top clan mech after that its all way to subjective because it depends on situations/desired usage.

Timby stays as 1 just because its so versatile and agile which is fine, the only reason it can do what it does is because it is taking advantage of every clan benefit at once (almost max Xl engine and the lower weight/crit weapons)

There isnt many ways to nerf the Timby without nerfing all clan mechs, and if you nerf the timby right now clans would end up being steam rolled alot in any Clan vs IS match.

Honestly they need to wake up and do some REAL testing of clan vs IS because its pretty stupid to try and balance mechs outside of the environment they need to be balanced for.

i mean honestly think of all the nerfs they did to IS mechs back when it was IS vs IS if it has always been Clan vs IS from day 1 would those nerfs have happened or been needed?

Edited by Ph30nix, 16 October 2014 - 09:39 AM.

[SaltBeef]

They are getting less fun to play with each nerf. You will find yourself pestered with heat spikes constantly. Slower than all IS light mechs. You will spread damage all over the place due to long durations and no PPFLD damage except for guass. In matches you will get 500 damage or higher but maybe 0 to 2 kills even though it felt like a stellar performance. JJ worthless. My opine. You will not be able to run the stock builds due to heat issues.

Edited by SaltBeef, 16 October 2014 - 04:57 PM.

[Hoax415]

S TIER: Mad Cat

A TIER: Daishi, Stormcrow

A- TIER: Warhawk, Vulture, Thor

IS TIER: Kit Fox, Nova, Adder

Edited by Hoax415, 16 October 2014 - 05:16 PM.

[Walluh]

Why does everyone hate my precious peacedove.

[Kassatsu]

Timberwolf
Dire Wolf
Stormcrow
Kit Fox
Warhawk
Nova
Summoner
Adder

Coming from a guy that bought the gold Adder, that should say something.

[Rhaegor]

Combat Loss Grouping, on 16 October 2014 - 09:22 AM, said:

Pretty sure the Adder makes a better LRM boat than the Kit Fox if only because of the extra weight.

ECM > Adder

[Kassatsu]

Adder's 5 extra tons is not even worth mentioning given that the Kit Fox stock loadout, fully stripped with stock armor has the same tonnage available. You lose a tiny bit to max the armor out, but also get ECM and possibly jump jets. If we're talking LRM boating, it hardly makes a difference as you won't be standing out in the open taking fire like other builds would, so the armor isn't really even worth it.

Still no reason to ever run anything on the Kit Fox that does NOT have ECM however. Nor is there a reason to run the Adder in the first place.

[Combat Loss Grouping]

Rhaegor, on 16 October 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

ECM > Adder

Having ECM doesn't make you a better LRM boat, though.

[Deathlike]

The list isn't really that complicated.

1) Timberwolf (no brainer)
2) Stormcrow (consistently magical)
3) Dire Wolf (feast or famine... depending on the pilot and situation)
4) Kitfox (ECM)
5) Summoner (sturdy, but doesn't compare to the Timberwolf)
6) Masakari (fairly mediocre, due to hardpoints)
7) Nova (most of the other laser nerfs hurt this the most, plus generally limited because of it)
8) Adder (Kitfox outshines it, simply because of ECM - loadout is similar to a non-ECM Kitfox otherwise)

If I were to add the Vulture, it'll be somewhere above or below the Summoner since it does have a niche of being a decent missile boat option...

Oh well. It would be a cluster**** if we had to discuss variants... or specifically the omnipods.