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[Rhaegor]

I love both the Raven and Kitfox as ECM support mechs. I am having a hard time deciding which I like better personally.

[Deathlike]

The "Cute" in the Cute Fox only lasts so long until you realize there's this other 30-tonner that is a far more devious nuisance.

Wubfox... we hardly knew ye.

[FupDup]

Deathlike, on 16 October 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

The "Cute" in the Cute Fox only lasts so long until you realize there's this other 30-tonner that is a far more devious nuisance.

...

Urbanmech?

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 16 October 2014 - 04:21 PM, said:

Urbanmech?

I should've specified about mechs we actually have in-game... like the Spider-troll.

[Mcgral18]

Alistair Winter, on 16 October 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

Heh, yeah. On paper, the Kit Fox has a lot going for it. In practice, not so much.

And those aren't jump jets. They're Back to the Future hoverboards. They work kind of like this.

In preparation for the Koshi, I actually threw 6 JJs on the Cute Fox.

They certainly aren't HoverJets in that number. I was surprised. I even threw an ERPPC on for lulzy poptarting, which was as effective as a single PPC can be.

A full 160M horizontal jump, or "50M" according to the mechlab.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 16 October 2014 - 05:41 PM, said:

In preparation for the Koshi, I actually threw 6 JJs on the Cute Fox.

They certainly aren't HoverJets in that number. I was surprised. I even threw an ERPPC on for lulzy poptarting, which was as effective as a single PPC can be.

A full 160M horizontal jump, or "50M" according to the mechlab.

I'm struggling to figure out the best loadout for the Koshi. It seems easier to put together a non-ECM based build instead...

[FupDup]

Deathlike, on 16 October 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

I'm struggling to figure out the best loadout for the Koshi. It seems easier to put together a non-ECM based build instead...

3 ERML + your choice of missiles. Use the Alt B arms all day erryday.

[tucsonspeed6]

I think I'm seeing a pattern. If you're good in IS lights, you probably hate Clan lights, but if you're good at IS mediums, you can have good matches in Clan lights?

Would anyone agree or disagree with this? It seems logical to me at least.

[Greenjulius]

Deathlike, on 16 October 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

I'm struggling to figure out the best loadout for the Koshi. It seems easier to put together a non-ECM based build instead...

Yeah, it's going to probably setting into the "crappy firestarter" or "crappy Jenner-D" roll. It looks too adorable though, so I feel bad for it. Had to buy it.

[FupDup]

tucsonspeed6, on 16 October 2014 - 06:04 PM, said:

I think I'm seeing a pattern. If you're good in IS lights, you probably hate Clan lights, but if you're good at IS mediums, you can have good matches in Clan lights?

Would anyone agree or disagree with this? It seems logical to me at least.

My favorite class is mediums (specifically IS) and I don't see much utility in the Clan lights other than ECM (Cute Fox exclusive).

[Greenjulius]

tucsonspeed6, on 16 October 2014 - 06:04 PM, said:

I think I'm seeing a pattern. If you're good in IS lights, you probably hate Clan lights, but if you're good at IS mediums, you can have good matches in Clan lights?

Would anyone agree or disagree with this? It seems logical to me at least.

I... actually agree with that statement. I'm generally good in fast strikers and sniper mechs. Not as much experience in Assaults except for Atlai. Heavies aren't that interesting to me, at least IS ones. I have 3 Cataphracts, and dislike the 3D, but like the Ilya and 4X.

I've posted my best matches in this game with the Cute Fox, Shadow Hawk 2H and 2K, and the Boar's Head.

Edited by Greenjulius, 16 October 2014 - 06:09 PM.

[Kilo 40]

Kitfox+ECM+LRMs=pocket LRM boat=fun

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 16 October 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

I'm struggling to figure out the best loadout for the Koshi. It seems easier to put together a non-ECM based build instead...

I was thinking 3 ERMLs, 2 SRM2s and either 150 or 250 missiles.

Otherwise, ECM, 1 ERML, and use that ton to upgrade the 2s to 4s, with the same ammo.

ECM, ERLL and ERSL would fit, not sure if that's a good or bad choice. You can jump pretty high with those, to get to nice sniping locations, but it's just so little firepower.

[Deathlike]

tucsonspeed6, on 16 October 2014 - 06:04 PM, said:

I think I'm seeing a pattern. If you're good in IS lights, you probably hate Clan lights, but if you're good at IS mediums, you can have good matches in Clan lights?

Would anyone agree or disagree with this? It seems logical to me at least.

That sounds about right.

Mcgral18, on 16 October 2014 - 06:08 PM, said:

I was thinking 3 ERMLs, 2 SRM2s and either 150 or 250 missiles.

Otherwise, ECM, 1 ERML, and use that ton to upgrade the 2s to 4s, with the same ammo.

ECM, ERLL and ERSL would fit, not sure if that's a good or bad choice. You can jump pretty high with those, to get to nice sniping locations, but it's just so little firepower.

I was thinking of Streaks, but at that point, there isn't enough tonnage to field that... possibly?

It is making me wonder about the CSRM2 spread though.

[Ultimax]

Deathlike, on 16 October 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

I'm struggling to figure out the best loadout for the Koshi. It seems easier to put together a non-ECM based build instead...

Yeah there's not much you can do with it once it has ECM.

2x CERMLAS or

1x CERMLAS + Some light SRMs/SSRMs or

1x CLPL / CERPPC

Edited by Ultimatum X, 16 October 2014 - 08:37 PM.

[Rhaegor]

FupDup, on 16 October 2014 - 06:05 PM, said:

My favorite class is mediums (specifically IS) and I don't see much utility in the Clan lights other than ECM (Cute Fox exclusive).

is there any other Clan light than the ECM Kitfox? I mean really. ECM Kitfox is only option until Myst Lynx. Then we can see which is better.

[Mcgral18]

Rhaegor, on 16 October 2014 - 06:35 PM, said:

is there any other Clan light than the ECM Kitfox? I mean really. ECM Kitfox is only option until Myst Lynx. Then we can see which is better.

The Koshi will go around 15 KMh faster than the Cute Fox, while mounting 8 tons less pod space, 6.5 VS 14.5.

Arctic Cheetah is the one that will make it a choice. Moving 130/142 with 8 ton of pod space, with the same 6 hardwired JJs, but with the option of torso mounted hardpoints, and ECM. It also had hardpoints to boat small weapons.

Same 30 tons as the Cute Fox, noticeably faster, with 6.5 less tons pod space. Koshi isn't looking promising.

Edited by Mcgral18, 16 October 2014 - 06:51 PM.

[Brody319]

I actually am usually a heavy player, but the only light I will pilot is the cute fox. I played Catapults a lot before clans dropped and a little bit after they dropped. So I was usually sticking close to the group and shooting at long ranges anyway, so the cute fox just kinda feels like a mini version of that, because I have to stick with the group most of the time and take long range shots.

my current builds are:
2x MPL 1x ecm, 1x LPL
2x PPC, 1x ecm, 1x ML
2X ML, 1x PPC, 1x ecm, 2x machine guns

I swap the ppcs for large lasers sometimes, but I like the burst damage even if it means it runs hotter

[Rhaegor]

Mcgral18, on 16 October 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

The Koshi will go around 15 KMh faster than the Cute Fox, while mounting 8 tons less pod space, 6.5 VS 14.5.

Arctic Cheetah is the one that will make it a choice. Moving 130/142 with 8 ton of pod space, with the same 6 hardwired JJs, but with the option of torso mounted hardpoints, and ECM. It also had hardpoints to boat small weapons.

Same 30 tons as the Cute Fox, noticeably faster, with 6.5 less tons pod space. Koshi isn't looking promising.

That is the future, we will see how that plays out, right now, there is only the Kitfox with ECM.

[Greenjulius]

Mcgral18, on 16 October 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

The Koshi will go around 15 KMh faster than the Cute Fox, while mounting 8 tons less pod space, 6.5 VS 14.5.
Same 30 tons as the Cute Fox, noticeably faster, with 6.5 less tons pod space. Koshi isn't looking promising.

Koshi is 25 tons