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[UrsusMorologus]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 October 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

hasn't been that in a very long time. And if you check NOW, when it stopped being used its 850-950 . So if speed doesn't matter why has it stopped being used?

http://mwomercs.com/...date-and-patch/

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Inner Sphere PPC - Speed = 850 m/s down from 1500 m/s.
Inner Sphere ER-PPC - Speed = 950 m/s down from 1500 m/s.

So it started at 2000m/s Gauss speed got a 500m/s reduction then got another 650m/s reduction for a final value that is less than half of the original speed.

I didnt say speed didnt matter, I said there was no practical benefit to aim from small changes, ie leading a running Jenner by 8mm and leading it by 6mm. I also said that if its fast enough where you dont have to lead the target at all then aim doesnt matter anyway because its point and click, and actual aiming has nothing to do with it.

The quirk to PPC will buff velocity +25% presumably that means speed will go up to 1062.5 for base PPC. Thats still ~450m/s short of the medium pre-nerf value and about half the original value so its still going to require leading.

If you still have to lead the target, except you have to learn how to lead by 8mm for one varient and 6mm for another varient of the same damn chassis, you have actually made things worse

I can say it again if you want

Edited by UrsusMorologus, 17 October 2014 - 09:51 PM.

[Impyrium]

UrsusMorologus, on 17 October 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

Another factor is that changing the projectile behavior will be disruptive to people who switch between chassis frequently. If a PPC moves at a certain speed on all mechs but this one, then when I switch to the special one I might actually perform worse because my timing and aim is all wrong. Its actually unhelpful, potentially harmful in some cases. [Modules get around this because you can slot the module on every mech, quirk buffs are not portable.]

I don't see the problem with having different play styles required for different chassis...? It might make different 'Mechs actually feel different for a change. I'd rather not see the same strategy used for each 'Mech.

[Impyrium]

UrsusMorologus, on 17 October 2014 - 09:29 PM, said:

If you still have to lead the target, except you have to learn how to lead by 8mm for one varient and 6mm for another varient of the same damn chassis, you have actually made things worse

Exactly. I don't see why that's a problem.

[stjobe]

UrsusMorologus, on 17 October 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

That would be pretty nifty, but it kind of carries an assumption that I should be able to buy the Tomodzuru Autocannon somewhere for my other mechs as well. And then those mechs would get the benefits. And to be honest that would be quite awesome to get a Tomodzuru Autocannon that has a ~faster refire rate, or whatever.

Only if you don't realize that the Tomodzuru Autocannon Mount 20 is specifically built for a single chassis - the HBK.

It's like saying "I should then be able to take the A/A 49E-6 Gun System* and put it in another plane and get the benefits" - sure you can, you just have to rebuild your plane to be an A-10 first.

So sure, you can buy the Tomodzuru Autocannon Mount 20 somewhere for your other 'mechs. They just have to be modified into Hunchbacks to get the benefit.

It is a chassis quirk, not a weapon quirk.

* the complete installation that centers around the massive GAU-8 on the A-10 Thunderbolt II. The GAU-8 weighs 281 kg, the A/A 49E-6 Gun System weighs roughly 1800 kg.

Edited by stjobe, 18 October 2014 - 12:06 AM.

[Kilrein]

UrsusMorologus, on 17 October 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

This is off to the side a bit, but its an interesting point.

The best way to buff accuracy is to increase the size of the projectile's hit-box

Buffing speed is a relatively poor hack, because it doesnt actually help accuracy any, it makes weapons behave differently which is counterproductive. The only buff to accuracy is relative because all other platforms become more inaccurate.

Don't agree with increasing the hit box. So when a unit doesn't have a TC, the hit box is one size and when it does, the hit box is a different size?

As opposed to increasing the weapon speed which reduces the leading necessary and reduces the targets ability to evade fire just thru random movement.