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[Ronin X]

Devs - Can we please increase the projectile speed of PPCs. If you think about what a PPC fires, it stands to reason that a burst of charged particles would fly as fast or maybe a little bit slower than light. This 800-900 m/s thing is ****.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

If they do increase PPC speed they should really make them have a longer cooldown time as well

[Gas Guzzler]

I think it is reasonable to increase the projectile speed by 100-200 m/s

[Monkey Lover]

Just stop using it like most people Some weapons they want worthless like the flamer

Edited by Monkey Lover, 15 October 2014 - 12:22 PM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I think they are going to keep the speed about where it is. The PPC have seen a lot of balancing (both buffs and nerfs) over the past couple of years. I'm thinking they have settled on this speed and it I'd where they want it. I think mostly to de-sync high alpha shots.

Anyway, I do think some mechs will get PPC buffing quirks in November when the quirk system goes live. I wouldn't doubt if mechs like the Awesome and Catapult K2 get some PPC specific quirks (even possibly affecting projectile speed).

Those may be the mechs to get for PPC goodness.

[Ronin X]

MeiSooHaityu, on 15 October 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

I think they are going to keep the speed about where it is. The PPC have seen a lot of balancing (both buffs and nerfs) over the past couple of years. I'm thinking they have settled on this speed and it I'd where they want it. I think mostly to de-sync high alpha shots.

Anyway, I do think some mechs will get PPC buffing quirks in November when the quirk system goes live. I wouldn't doubt if mechs like the Awesome and Catapult K2 get some PPC specific quirks (even possibly affecting projectile speed).

Those may be the mechs to get for PPC goodness.

That would be great as im a Cat pilot with the K2 and Jester mastered. I just have a hard time judging where a target will be when I fire. I miss half my PPC shots because the blue blob is slow as hell. Im not even saying they need to make it dramatically faster. maybe 50% faster, 1400 M/S would be fair in my opinion. Its still not an OP weapon at that speed because people have to aim and expose themselves just like any other direct fire weapon.

Edited by Ronin X, 15 October 2014 - 12:35 PM.

[FupDup]

[Marmon Rzohr]

MeiSooHaityu, on 15 October 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

I think they are going to keep the speed about where it is. The PPC have seen a lot of balancing (both buffs and nerfs) over the past couple of years. I'm thinking they have settled on this speed and it I'd where they want it. I think mostly to de-sync high alpha shots.

Anyway, I do think some mechs will get PPC buffing quirks in November when the quirk system goes live. I wouldn't doubt if mechs like the Awesome and Catapult K2 get some PPC specific quirks (even possibly affecting projectile speed).

Those may be the mechs to get for PPC goodness.

Yeah, but huge alphas are still in the game. And the de-sync only works at longer ranges. This way they did nerf PPC + Gauss sniping but they also cut down the power of every single build using the PPC.

They should buff up PPC speed and implement ghost heat based on alpha damage, not weapon type, IMHO, that might work better.

[Ronin X]

Marmon Rzohr, on 15 October 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Yeah, but huge alphas are still in the game. And the de-sync only works at longer ranges. This way they did nerf PPC + Gauss sniping but they also cut down the power of every single build using the PPC.

They should buff up PPC speed and implement ghost heat based on alpha damage, not weapon type, IMHO, that might work better.

Buff the speed back up but implement a strict "Falloff" as in other games like Eve Online. the standard PPC fires at 1500 m/s (lets say) but outside of 450 meters it does greatly reduced damage - say 50% of max a 500 meters - and zero damage beyond 525.

ERPPC range can then also be nerfed to something like 750 meters (lets be real who cares about targets past 700-750 meters anyway except for the occasional sighting in your crosshares and a quick snipe), Up to 700 meters the PPC does full damage, past 800 its zero damage.

Before people say, ALPHA is OP - think about realism. The thing is firing SUPERCHARGED PARTICLES AS HOT AS THE SUN - yes this is my scientific opinion on the physics of the weapon. Just because a weapon is strong doesnt mean it should be nufed

Edited by Ronin X, 15 October 2014 - 01:00 PM.

[Quick n Fast]

I find it funny OP that you have to come on your alt account to QQ about ppcs.. lmao

[A banana in the tailpipe]

The speed is perfect at the moment. They actually take skill to use.

[OznerpaG]

PPCs are supposed to be a long range weapon, but they stink hard when trying to snipe with them

the PPC has a minimum range and it's hard to use at maximum range so it's got this limited cone of reliable usability that's stupid, while each ERPPC needs 100 DHS to use as a primary weapon

they need to look at the c-ERPPC and re-assess both IS PPC's in relation to it

[SpeedingBus]

Ronin X, on 15 October 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

Devs - Can we please increase the projectile speed of PPCs. If you think about what a PPC fires, it stands to reason that a burst of charged particles would fly as fast or maybe a little bit slower than light. This 800-900 m/s thing is ****.

Your not going to get any favorable feedback from the forums people want the PPC to stay as a crappy weapon so everyone will tell you its "fine" just got to l2p with a inferior weapon to any clan lasers or IS lasers.

[Nemesis Duck]

The most iconic weapon in mechwarrior, now an embarrassment.

[Oni74]

I'm on the side of reworking the PPC mechanic altogether.

What I have in mind is:

• Universally increase PPC & ERPPC projectile speed to a good number like 1400m/s, for example, so that it is a viable long range weapon.
  
• Make the weapon an AOE weapon that does 5/2.5/2.5 dmg spread for IS PPC/ERPPC and 9/3/3 spread for CER PPC.

I can imagine the PPC being a high-energy charged-particle weapon that tends to disperse and cause AOE damage across multiple components. It'd be amazing if it looked like an Ion cannon from Star Wars movies. Ok, i'm probably asking for too much there.

[Warblood]

Assmodeus, on 15 October 2014 - 01:19 PM, said:

The most iconic weapon in mechwarrior, now an embarrassment.

only i the hands of ppl who don't know how to use it properly.

[A Man In A Can]

I like my energy AC 10s where they are now - behaving exactly like AC 10s for the kind of PPFLD both guns deliver, and are strong in pretty much the same scenarios.

So if you can get good with using AC 10s, you'll do just fine with PPCs.

Edited by Mechwarrior Mousse, 15 October 2014 - 01:52 PM.

[Felio]

I like to think of it as more of a hadouken cannon.

And yes, it's aggravating to think they nerfed the PPC because they felt the gauss was overpowered.

[Colby Boucher]

How is a 540m range weapon a "sniper weapon"? Is an AC/10 a "sniper weapon" as well? It's pretty damn easy to hit with PPCs within their "optimum range". Anyone outside of that is difficult to hit unless they aren't moving. Is that really such an issue? Besides, sure, the PPC is supposed to be the king of the battlefield, but no one weapon should be allowed to have that title.

Oh, and my BJ-3 says hi.

[Felio]

Colby Boucher, on 15 October 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

How is a 540m range weapon a "sniper weapon"?

The ERPPC's optimum range is 810; farther than the gauss rifle. But you knew that.

Edited by Felio, 15 October 2014 - 01:34 PM.