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[I_AM_ZUUL]

as·i·nineˈasəˌnīn/adjective

extremely stupid or foolish.

Making the point that this unique skin is "battle damage" specifically over the left eye within the context of everything else being a Norse theme BECAUSE the Streaks aren't "Rear Firing." When the D (& S) have never had the rear firing Medium Lasers since the inception of the game. Makes that an Asinine point... the fact that you had already proven yourself to be below average intelligence and/or wisdom by trying to "correct" me while being completely incorrect yourself isn't even needed to prove the point. Just add chuckles to anyone who reads it... and is not ignorant about the subject matter.

[Odins Fist]

Hillslam, on 21 October 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

BTW - I named mine Sanguinor. Because BA. and it looks angel-y, Sanguinius-y.

I'm gonna rename mine "TreeShake-Ah"..

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Hillslam, on 21 October 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

BTW - I named mine Sanguinor. Because BA. and it looks angel-y, Sanguinius-y.

I didn't go that far but I did use a deep red to get a Blood Angel look. Basic blue on bottom made a really nice fade into a deep purple for contrast.

[Odins Fist]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 21 October 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

as·i·nineˈasəˌnīn/adjective

extremely stupid or foolish.

Making the point that this unique skin is "battle damage" specifically over the left eye within the context of everything else being a Norse theme BECAUSE the Streaks aren't "Rear Firing." When the D (& S) have never had the rear firing Medium Lasers since the inception of the game. Makes that an Asinine point... the fact that you had already proven yourself to be below average intelligence and/or wisdom by trying to "correct" me while being completely incorrect yourself isn't even needed to prove the point. Just add chuckles to anyone who reads it... and is not ignorant about the subject matter.

Notice where I said "ALSO: Notice the Angel/Valkyrie on the front of the Atlas AS7-s, if you read the FIRST link I think you will see the inspiration for the paint scheme."

Odins Fist, on 21 October 2014 - 12:03 PM, said:

EDIT: REMOVED BAD LINK



Norns Well of Fate/Well of Wisdom = Where Odin went to gain wisdom.

Hence the ONE EYE on the Atlas AS7-S.


Read the back or your New free Atlas AS7-S = UrdarBrunnr


ALSO: Notice the Angel/Valkyrie on the front of the Atlas AS7-s, if you read the FIRST link I think you will see the inspiration for the paint scheme.


EDIT: http://en.wikipedia....r%C3%B0arbrunnr

I am NOT below average intelligence, so you go ahead and have yourself a nice stroke sport.
FYI, anytime you see me ingame you go ahead and take your frustrations out on my poor little mech.


Again see where I said " if you read the FIRST link I think you will see the inspiration for the paint scheme."

EDIT: REMOVED BAD LINK


I was trying to be nice and offer a suggestion on why they might be inspired. (paint scheme)
Then I get yelled at.. So much for that.

Have a swell Life..!!

Edited by Odins Fist, 21 October 2014 - 11:05 PM.

[Flying Blind]

I imagine to someone who follows the Norse mythology as religion (there are more of them than most of us realize) this atlas would be kinda like having a mech depicting Moses in the camo and have "Moses" written on the mech but also the mech bearing the wounds of Christ. It would confuse people.

For those who don't know, the ancien Norse believed there were three goddesses (giants actually which are kinda like demons to modern beliefs but not quite) that ruled the fate of men and gods. They were kinda like care takers for the universal system (which is also how they are depicted in the "Ah Megamisama" anime). Each of the three dealt with a specific time frame: Urd (or Urdr) ruled the past, Verdandi the present, and Skuld the future. There are many depictions of a trio of women who weave fate and time and the past, present, and future from many ancient cultures.
The Atlas is Urd and also bears the name Urdarbrunner which is the well of Urd and would make perfect sense on Urd's mech but then it has a gouged out eye which is an extremely symbolic wound for the ancient Norse. It is the sound of Odin the all father and show his sacrifice. Having this wound on Urd doesn't really make sense (the the Moses with Stigmata mech I mention above)
The Centurion clearly says "Verdandi" on its shield making it the Norn of the present,
We assume the King Crab will be Skuld.

Humorously enough these mechs also line up perfectly with the depictions of the Norns from the anime Ah, Megamisama in which they are all three principal characters. Urd is old fashioned and likes the big strong type, Skuld is a technological genius and makes large fighting robot things anyway (some of which are vaguely crab shaped) and Belldandy (a truly awful fail at translating the name by a Japanese person through Japanese to English) is a balanced and calm and underestimated. Anyway the references are there but the Atlas, sadly, seems a bit confused. Doesn't bother me but I can see why it would some

Oh and Zuul, take a breath and calm down dude, you are letting a minor thing really eat you up. Maybe back off the guy a bit.

Edited by Flying Blind, 21 October 2014 - 08:42 PM.

[Xtrekker]

Being that this is a thousand years in the future, as well as a free mech from our PGI overlords, we're lucky it doesn't say...

[Odins Fist]

So the Atlas AS7-S has stil/ got UrdarBrunnr/Urðarbrunnr on it's back right..??
Not gonna change I would suppose..



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http://en.wikipedia....r%C3%B0arbrunnr


"Urðarbrunnr (Old Norse "Well of Urðr"; either referring to a Germanic concept of fate—urðr—or the norn named Urðr[1]) is a well in Norse mythology. Urðarbrunnr is attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson. In both sources, the well lies beneath the world tree Yggdrasil, and is associated with a trio of norns.

So are we going with Atlas AS7-S (WELL OF FATE)..??
Sounds catchy to me.

What's gonna be the third Norn..??

Edited by Odins Fist, 21 October 2014 - 09:53 PM.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

The King Crab as Skuld will be the third Norn... and it might change if stupid people stopped saying that it's the correct Well to use in context of giving the Atlas Odins Wound. He didn't give **** to the Norns... he sacrificed himself to himself upon Yggdrasil using his own spear for 9 days to acquire the power of the Runes. They were the only ones who knew the Runes before that which made them pretty much the most powerful beings in the universe. Odin took that knowledge for himself... they didn't give it to him, like Mimir let Odin drink from his Well.

[Odins Fist]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 21 October 2014 - 09:52 PM, said:

The King Crab as Skuld will be the third Norn... and it might change if stupid people stopped saying that it's the correct Well to use in context of giving the Atlas Odins Wound. He didn't give **** to the Norns... he sacrificed himself to himself upon Yggdrasil using his own spear for 9 days to acquire the power of the Runes. They were the only ones who knew the Runes before that which made them pretty much the most powerful beings in the universe. Odin took that knowledge for himself... they didn't give it to him, like Mimir let Odin drink from his Well.

King Crab the third Norn.. Sounds good.

Yeah... And I think if the Atlas had "ODIN" written in actual Rune(s) on it's back some people would still be CRYING like a little girl over it and it's eye.
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Oh well.. Fate of (MWO) Norns

The fate of Norns await us all
There is no way to escape
The day to answer Odin's call
Or walk through hel's gate

The fate of Norns await us all
I know this to be true
It's time to answer Odins's call
My son, he calls for me and you
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Edited by Odins Fist, 21 October 2014 - 10:03 PM.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

The Eye makes it Odin... period!!! It's an Iconic & Unique wound... the Valknut is also declaring it as well (kinda wish they had used different symbols there as well like Mjölnir & they discovered a complete symbol for Frigga earlier this year in England, but that's a level well above what I'd expect them to do.) But Odins Wound isn't from Urdarbrunner... he took that knowledge himself. So unless they wanna give him a spear hole which is very close to Christs Stigmata (especially when there are depictions of Odin being crucified upon Yggdrasil from 1500BC) Urdarbrunner doesn't fit within the context. So put the correct Well or add the correct Wound on him. Cause he sacrificed his Eye first, so it can stay if they add the Wound that's relative to his relationship with that Well.

Also if they had done it in Runes I doubt most people could even read it since nobody knows how to read Runes. Though ODIN is still close enough considering that they are the basis for our letters that only the n is that different.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 21 October 2014 - 10:08 PM.

[Odins Fist]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 21 October 2014 - 10:05 PM, said:

The Eye makes it Odin... period!!! It's an Iconic & Unique wound... the Valknut is also declaring it as well (kinda wish they had used different symbols there as well like Mjölnir & they discovered a complete symbol for Frigga earlier this year in England, but that's a level well above what I'd expect them to do.) But Odins Wound isn't from Urdarbrunner... he took that knowledge himself. So unless they wanna give him a spear hole which is very close to Christs Stigmata (especially when there are depictions of Odin being crucified upon Yggdrasil from 1500BC) Urdarbrunner doesn't fit within the context. So put the correct Well or add the correct Wound on him. Cause he sacrificed his Eye first, so it can stay if they add the Wound that's relative to his relationship with that Well.

And maybe... Just maybe it was painted that way by Merc that wanted Norse MYTHOLOGICAL symbols, or a guy from the Rasalhague Republic..
Maybe someone just wanted a collection of Norse Symbols on a Mech..

Maybe, just maybe it doesn't matter.

Is there any back story to the Atlas AS7-S..??

[Odins Fist]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 21 October 2014 - 10:26 PM, said:

It's the wrong Well in context... period! That's all I'm saying.

Nah, that's not all you were saying, you got personal.
Be sure to check out my profile and hop into my TeamSpeak server sometime.

Would love to chat..
Have a swell day..

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Odins Fist, on 21 October 2014 - 10:50 PM, said:

Nah, that's not all you were saying, you got personal.
Be sure to check out my profile and hop into my TeamSpeak server sometime.

Would love to chat..
Have a swell day..

It wasn't ever personal for me.... I was merely stating of fact on your intellectual capability. You were incorrectly declaring from the beginning and in the thread you started, that the Well of Wisdom (Mimirbrunnr) was the Well of Fate (Urdarbrunnr.) I gave you the link to Mirirbrunnr and that was the point where you went off on your asinine point about how the gouged out left eye probably had nothing to do with anything symbolic within the context of the skins... and it was just battle damage. At which point you got offended that I called your statement extermely stupid or foolish, it devolved from there. I'm not even certain that you finally were able to understand that Mimirbrunnr & Urdarbrunnr are completely separate Wells and that they have two totally different stories about them in regards to Odins interactions at each individual site. The Eye wound was from Mimirbrunnr when Mimir made him pay it to drink from Mimirs Well, Odin hung himself above Urdarbrunnr on a spear for 9 days so he could learn the power of the Runes which the Norns had (and probably wouldnt share with him but that part got edited out cause you can't have the Norns telling the All Father to go fkkk himself after he became the All Father.) But there isn't a Spear Wound on the AS7-S front and back, so the name of the Well on his back is incorrect. So,I would be super happy if they either change the name to the correct Well & Wound pairing or add the Wound to the AS7-S for the Well that is already there.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

But i doubt I'll be able to get any support for this when even the super Odin guy doesnt know jack shht about the actual Sagas & Eddas. At least you were able to demonstrate how unrealistic my hopes & dreams were before I had any time to cherish there was a possibility they could come true.

[Hans Von Lohman]

This isn't that big of a deal. They're close enough. For example we have the Chinese God of the Underworld, Yen-Lo-Wang, but it is painted in the JAPANESE battle flag.

Granted, that is because Justin Allard was a gladiator on Solaris VII, and he worked for a team that was originally a House Kurita stable before becoming a Cappellan Confederation stable.

BattleTech is full of pulp fiction references and plenty of details that don't quite add up because they were not really researched in depth. I.E. planets named Klendathu, and Graceland for gods sake. Hell, they named one of the Clan homeworlds Arcadia, despite the fact there already was a planet Arcadia on the Steiner/Marrik border.

Edited by Hans Von Lohman, 22 October 2014 - 12:35 AM.

[Pat Kell]

Zuul, regardless of whether you think his post was wrong or whatever, you took this to a very personal level with your remarks and I can't help but sympathize with him as you are just being mean and nasty for reasons that most people won't understand...you are only hurting you're own imagine here.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Pat Kell, on 22 October 2014 - 12:54 AM, said:

Zuul, regardless of whether you think his post was wrong or whatever, you took this to a very personal level with your remarks and I can't help but sympathize with him as you are just being mean and nasty for reasons that most people won't understand...you are only hurting you're own imagine here.

It is not a matter of what I think/feel/believe about his statements on their veracity, but realities facts. The fact is he was wrong according to the Poetic Edda & the Prose Edda, because he is a poser who knows nothing about what he is claiming by his name & clan.

[AlmightyAeng]

Quote

Entire thread.

Nerd rage is best rage.

That said, yeah OP, it'd be amazing if they'd used the right Well. Oh Well, it's still sexy as hell.

Edited by Ghost Badger, 22 October 2014 - 11:33 AM.

[Voranis]

So this Odin fellow never went to the well of Merfenburger or whatever, after loosing his eye in the well of Herfenburger or whatever? Is there some question about the order of these?

I fail to see why his injury can only be associated with the hole/tree/well/demon/goddess/giant/person/place/thing you're talking about.

I would wager that the reason the Atlas variant has a gouged out eye has more to do with the mech having "eyes" and less to do with which hole/tree/well/demon/goddess/giant/person/place/thing's name it bears.

[Logan Hawke]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 21 October 2014 - 07:44 PM, said:

I'm not "enraged".. I was just being dismissive of your asinine point you tried to make. The medium lasers of the D (& S) are already supposed to be rear firing. So even beyond the fact that the damage is very specific within the context of the skin, it's already been established in the very first mech on MWO that nothing is rear firing. The fact that a dude who is part of Odins Wolves found it necessary to "correct" me and linked me to an article about Urdarbrunner which is NOT the Well Odin sacrificed his Eye in, is merely mildly offensive to my Religious Beliefs & indicative of your lack of intellectual competence.

Aren't you the guy who said, and I quote from your post 'Dude don't try to reason with the Christian... it's an expectation bound for failure since none is present on the other side.'?

Hmmmm... tell me again why anyone should respect you at all considering all your actions up to this point?

Edited by Logan Hawke, 22 October 2014 - 12:46 PM.