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[DONTOR]

Walluh, on 29 October 2014 - 09:21 AM, said:

Who in their right mind would ever put a gauss rifle on a hunchback..?

I did it yesterday on the 4H with an ERPPC in the same torso it was AWESOME. 3 kills 550 damage + bonus points for a unique build, plus I have never seen anyone else use it.
Plenty of people are using XL hunchbacks these days, so its no worse than that anyways.

[speleomaniac]

I mean you can use the same setup at 4G so why 4G is a brawler and GI Skirmisher?????

What I like with GI/AC20 you pop-up, deliver your damage get out, my problem of UC5 it is hard to be disciplined, I tend to shoot all the time and get destroyed.

And Hunchbacks don't like to be hit.

Edited by speleomaniac, 29 October 2014 - 10:30 AM.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

How about a quirk that decreases the weight of ballistics?

[speleomaniac]

Actually you know for the Hero Mech's they should give the full bonus not %12.5 ballistic + %12.5 AC10.

If I don't like a specific setup in normal mech I can sell that chassis and buy one with that I like,

Now I like the quirks of the 4G, that is my style but I can't sell GI can I? I have to play with it.

Yeah, I think Hero Mech's should get the full bonus, %25 ballistic, no weapon specialisation.

[N a p e s]

speleomaniac, on 29 October 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Actually you know for the Hero Mech's they should give the full bonus not %12.5 ballistic + %12.5 AC10.

If I don't like a specific setup in normal mech I can sell that chassis and buy one with that I like,

Now I like the quirks of the 4G, that is my style but I can't sell GI can I? I have to play with it.

Yeah, I think Hero Mech's should get the full bonus, %25 ballistic, no weapon specialisation.

That would be acceptable, makes them a little more variable but also adds another reason to get hero mechs. People would probably call it P2W.

In the end I remembered that I used to run the GI with a UAC5 and an ASRM6. Was actually one of my best mechs for a while. So I'll see how the UAC5 buff plays out before judging.

[KraftySOT]

Seems like AC20 and mediums will still be the best build. Just marginally better than it was. UAC? I mean you can snipe with the thing basically, but its not really a game changer.

[Xarian]

The AC/5 build on the GI isn't a bad build - for a light mech. It's pretty bad for a Medium. The Gauss Rifle build is pretty good, though, so I think they should've supported that a bit better. Nobody uses Gauss hunchbacks, anyway, since they can just pick Shadowhawks.

[Kirkland Langue]

The only difference between the GI is the Missile HP in the side. When I first got the GI, I used AC/10 with Narc and medium lasers.

With the current Perks, I'm planning on trying UAC5, 2x MPL, SRM6, TAG. With a 250STD - I don't own any XL engines and have no plans on ever buying one. They are death traps.

[speleomaniac]

Napes339, on 29 October 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

That would be acceptable, makes them a little more variable but also adds another reason to get hero mechs. People would probably call it P2W.

In the end I remembered that I used to run the GI with a UAC5 and an ASRM6. Was actually one of my best mechs for a while. So I'll see how the UAC5 buff plays out before judging.

I mean common we are speaking about Grid Iron here, it will not become OP with this buffs.

Another Hero Mech can be but I can think about an one that will become, may be Shadowhawk Hero when it will come is a candidate but what else.

[KamikazeRat]

Kirkland Langue, on 29 October 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

The only difference between the GI is the Missile HP in the side. When I first got the GI, I used AC/10 with Narc and medium lasers.

With the current Perks, I'm planning on trying UAC5, 2x MPL, SRM6, TAG. With a 250STD - I don't own any XL engines and have no plans on ever buying one. They are death traps.

GRID IRON

no good...with endo and ferro you get 2.5 tons of ammo to split between uac and srms

GRID IRON

this is something close to what i was going to go for, note the lack of Ferro, because it really isn't worth it for 1 more ton of ammo, when my GI doesn't have Ferro currently. might run a little toasty, with 3mpl, i may switch to this

GRID IRON

[TheRealAbray]

Jesus Christ is there anything you people WON'T ***** about?

You asked for weapon group quirks instead of single weapon buffs. PGI meets you half way and gives you half weapon group (Which is an EXTREMELY powerful quirk), and half a specific weapon quirk.

So you got what you ******* wanted and you're STILL bitching about it??

Come on. Just accept the fact that you're not going to get a quirk that PERFECTLY MATCHES YOUR EXACT BUILD. Deal with it, and stop being a *****.

[N a p e s]

speleomaniac, on 29 October 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

I mean common we are speaking about Grid Iron here, it will not become OP with this buffs.

Another Hero Mech can be but I can think about an one that will become, may be Shadowhawk Hero when it will come is a candidate but what else.

You know I'm not disagreeing with you, right? I think it'd be an interesting bonus for heroes to drop the weapon specific quirks in favor of a bigger general weapon type quirk. And the GI is one of the hero mechs that needs all the help it can get but, I sincerely believe the community would oppose this distinction in quirk system.

So, I agree with you, but I just don't think the community would.

KamikazeRat, on 29 October 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

GRID IRON

no good...with endo and ferro you get 2.5 tons of ammo to split between uac and srms

GRID IRON

this is something close to what i was going to go for, note the lack of Ferro, because it really isn't worth it for 1 more ton of ammo, when my GI doesn't have Ferro currently. might run a little toasty, with 3mpl, i may switch to this

GRID IRON

GRID IRON

How bout that?

[UrsusMorologus]

You have to use the missile or else you wasted your MC on an overpriced 4G. UAC5 is 600m, which is long-range in my book, so couple it with LRM5 and a TAG and you can do pretty good DPS support (poor total damage but at least its constant damage) and you can at least standoff ~500m and reduce your own damage intake dramatically. If you are going to use SRMs you should switch to AC10 or more likely LB10X due to tonnage, but that means you have to wait until armor is already stripped to be effective at close range, which a lot of people cant make themselves do. HBK is a bad mech. It needs quirks to make it better. Weapon quirks wont make it better, it will just make one specific build forced into not completely sucking.

[Kirkland Langue]

The GI build which I wish PGI had supported was:
AC/10, 2x ML, 1x TAG, 1xNARC, 225STD

Perks should have been NARC velocity and range; AC10 CD and Velocity.
The only real difference between the GI and the other HBs is that missile HP. PGI should have emphasized it in a way which was meaningful and unique so that the mech actually could have a role in the game.

But PGI are idiots, but I at least expected them to just give it Gauss perks since that was the default build. PGI couldn't even fail in a way that was consistent.

[focuspark]

UrsusMorologus, on 29 October 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

a no-jam quirk would be pretty awesome

And ridiculously over powered.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Bilbo, on 29 October 2014 - 07:46 AM, said:

They are calling it a skirmisher. Gauss is not really a skirmishing weapon. The roles they have assigned to many of the mechs have very little to do with their stock load out in many cases.

Like the jager... the DD gets an ac5 buff but the S gets ac2 buff. backwards much?