32 replies to this topic

[Hillbillycrow]

Sooooo, any mech can equip BAP but only a few can equip ECM buuut ECM will now be hard countered out to 360m by BAP and the quirks are in before making allowances for this change, am I right?

The DDC keeps getting uglier and uglier. Hell, all the Atlas' have been for that matter. Hell, with all the missile quirks in Viktor is most likely right. In PUGlandia, it's gonna be ugly.

[Alexander MacTaggart]

Viktor Drake, on 30 October 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

Also this is going to make BAP a required piece of equipment for LRM equiped mechs and move LRMs from being balanced to OPed yet again.

BAP was already pretty much 'required' on LRM-heavy mechs, if only to prevent that enemy Raven from completely shutting you down if it ever came within 180 meters.

[DONTOR]

Viktor Drake, on 30 October 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

So basically it renders ECM obsolete over half the map now huh?

Blowing it a bit out of proportion are we?

[NovaFury]

Oh hey, a reason to actually equip beagles on things that aren't (awful) streak boats.

... Can we have enhanced imaging yet?

Edited by NovaFury, 30 October 2014 - 12:53 PM.

[Navid A1]

Russ Bullock, on 30 October 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

I thought it was a good idea.

On the IS side you spend 1.5 tons for ECM and look at the advantage you get for that 1.5 tons. BAP is also 1.5 tons but the benefit is not near as great. Now you have more reason to commit 1.5 tons to BAP on a mech you intend to hunt ECM lights with.

Also means if you get within Medium laser range you can negate rather than being practically on top of that ECM mech.

Yes we intend the change for both IS and Clan.

Btw proper feedback thread is up now

Thanks for clarification...
although my cute fox is crying in a corner... my other mechs are laughing like crazy... muhahahaha...!

that aside... i think maybe 360m is a bit too much... 270m would have been better.!

[Kavoh]

A counter to ECM master race? I like it. (Inb4 ECM hoarders rage mode at this post).

Edited by Kavoh, 30 October 2014 - 12:55 PM.

[Bilbo]

Kavoh, on 30 October 2014 - 12:54 PM, said:

A counter to ECM master race? I like it. (Inb4 ECM hoarders rage mode at this post).

I welcome the change. Maybe people won't be so inclined group up into a death ball if their ECM umbrella can be so easily dissipated.

[Davegt27]

"So basically it renders ECM obsolete over half the map now huh? Do they even realize that most ECM mechs mount weapons that don't even have 360m range? Standard IS medium laser at 270m means zero ability to utilize ECM within firing range around a team that has a couple BAP equiped mechs. Even Clan MLs barely have the range to stay out of BAP range if this goes live.

Also this is going to make BAP a required piece of equipment for LRM equiped mechs and move LRMs from being balanced to OPed yet again.

Anyway, bad, bad idea. "

Your speculating I been running CBAP so I can try to get my SSRMs to work

As far as I can tell it helps for one ECM but if there is more than one forget it
Basically to get my SSRMs to work half way decent I carry 3 tons of targeting computer and BAP

And I’ve been switching off and on with TAG

TAG does not do much so I took it back off again

Bottom line is when you stick your face out you pray for a lock-on
Still experimenting but I kind of like them since it’s something different (looks cool)

[Felio]

Bilbo, on 30 October 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

I welcome the change. Maybe people won't be so inclined group up into a death ball if their ECM umbrella can be so easily dissipated.

Oh, I don't think the murderball is going anywhere. Not unless they add orbital bombardments that target the heat signatures of clumped-up 'mechs.

Hmmm...

[5LeafClover]

Navid A1, on 30 October 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

that aside... i think maybe 360m is a bit too much... 270m would have been better.!

Agree with that. At 360m, BAP would cover nearly 6 times the original area. Given BAP was already worthwhile taking for some builds, this is a whopping boost that makes it borderline compulsory. Otherwise, I like the range boost idea in general.

[Bilbo]

Felio, on 30 October 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

Oh, I don't think the murderball is going anywhere. Not unless they add orbital bombardments that target the heat signatures of clumped-up 'mechs.

Hmmm...

The ones that move don't bother me so much. It should much easier to break up the ones that like to stand still though.

[RustyBolts]

Good thing I always carry BAP/CAP already.

[nehebkau]

Viktor Drake, on 30 October 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

So basically it renders ECM obsolete over half the map now huh? Do they even realize that most ECM mechs mount weapons that don't even have 360m range? Standard IS medium laser at 270m means zero ability to utilize ECM within firing range around a team that has a couple BAP equiped mechs. Even Clan MLs barely have the range to stay out of BAP range if this goes live.

Also this is going to make BAP a required piece of equipment for LRM equiped mechs and move LRMs from being balanced to OPed yet again.

Anyway, bad, bad idea.

I think you are right...