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[Bhael Fire]

Rouken, on 30 October 2014 - 04:23 PM, said:

Just a heads up, the word you're using is actually spelled "canon."

Shhhhh. Why'd you have to ruin the fun.

[Triordinant]

The Flying Gecko, on 30 October 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

So what kind of non-canon things could they include that would have you screaming (either for joy or frustration)?

Original mech designs?

Non-canon weapons or equipment?

How they nerfed Clan Tech?

No to original 'mechs and non-canon equipment. If it wasn't Battletech (even if it isn't 100% canon), most of the current players wouldn't play it.

Clans are supposed to have superior tech but IS is supposed to have superior numbers. The moment they decided Clan vs IS was going to be 12 vs 12 instead of 10 vs 12 (or something else), they had no choice but to balance Clan and IS 'mechs because the goal now is for an all-IS team to have an even chance of beating an all-Clan team in a 12 vs 12 match.

Edited by Triordinant, 30 October 2014 - 07:38 PM.

[Kavoh]

The Flying Gecko, on 30 October 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

They wanted to 'mirror' the timeline of the Battletech universe, but that's gone out the window.

Naturally, players in MWO don't become 'canon' mercenaries (and thank goodness that 'Capt. Poopie Pantz' and the like can't make the cut).

So what kind of non-canon things could they include that would have you screaming (either for joy or frustration)?

Original mech designs?

Non-canon weapons or equipment?

How they nerfed Clan Tech?

Discuss!


Edit: I don't know how to spell 'cannon'

So because in game merc groups aren't named in lore, you want to jump to creating mech designs? Kind a huge jump... dontcha think?

[SteelKiller]

The Flying Gecko, on 30 October 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

None of this is remotely on-topic so I'll attempt to re-phrase my original post:

How would you feel about about brand-new non-canon mechs being introduced to the game, not just variants but entire chassis? What about weapon systems and supplementary equipment?

I don't think they should be inventing things. As said there is so much material in the IP there is no reason to start adding random stuff to it.

"This isn't their game...they didn't build it." Wow, that's actually appropriate here.

Cattra Kell, on 30 October 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

You have to remember all the Mechwarrior games are considered not to be canon in terms of timeline / meta. Rather they are considered alternative actions and timelines created in the simpits. If I recall correctly from the explanation given a few years ago around mech 4 is that the battles were considered "simpit replays" or something like that.

Like how the btech cartoon is considered "canon" in that it was a childs propaganda show that aired in the Inner Sphere during the invasion.

I think I had heard about something like that but never thought anyone put actual stock in it. Was that FASA's position? (If so, cool.) Also, hopefully there's something similar to explain Dark Ages?

[Elkfire]

The OP is right. We need more canon cannons.

[Ted Wayz]

I would not mind non-canon mechs as long as it was along the lines of introducing new mechs like the Warphammer, Ostrich, Ocelot, Muh Router, etc.

Do you think HG would notice?

[Cattra Kell]

SteelKiller, on 30 October 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:

I think I had heard about something like that but never thought anyone put actual stock in it. Was that FASA's position? (If so, cool.) Also, hopefully there's something similar to explain Dark Ages?

Not sure if it was FASA at the time but yeah it was from the line designers from whatever [company name here] had the licence at the time.

Dark age is canon though - same with everything post dark age (which is so far is only TRO's and a few battletech short stories from the battlecorps authors).

Wizkids did darkage, Catalyst had to finish and now If I recall they are doing almost like a split line of things which is pre-3025 stuff and post dark age stuff.

Dark Age happened - we will just have to accept it as our star wars ep 1, 2 and 3 and hope that 7,8 and 9 will be good.

[Kiryuin Ragyo]

Canon sux, MWO rocks. Go home kid roll your pocket dices.

Edited by Kiryuin Ragyo, 31 October 2014 - 03:55 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

The Flying Gecko, on 30 October 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

They wanted to 'mirror' the timeline of the Battletech universe, but that's gone out the window.

Naturally, players in MWO don't become 'canon' mercenaries (and thank goodness that 'Capt. Poopie Pantz' and the like can't make the cut).

So what kind of non-canon things could they include that would have you screaming (either for joy or frustration)?

Original mech designs?

Non-canon weapons or equipment?

How they nerfed Clan Tech?

Discuss!


Edit: I don't know how to spell 'cannon'

Shields. As In Star Trek like Energy Shields.

[Kiryuin Ragyo]

The Flying Gecko, on 30 October 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

They wanted to 'mirror' the timeline of the Battletech universe, but that's gone out the window.

Naturally, players in MWO don't become 'canon' mercenaries (and thank goodness that 'Capt. Poopie Pantz' and the like can't make the cut).

So what kind of non-canon things could they include that would have you screaming (either for joy or frustration)?

Original mech designs?

Non-canon weapons or equipment?

How they nerfed Clan Tech?

Discuss!

Oh boy'ere we go again... another... Boo hoo IS mechs are OP, Clans are weak.

The Flying Gecko, on 30 October 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

Edit: I don't know how to spell 'cannon'

You can't even drive a Ryoken properly, spelling a word "canon" is beyond your capabilities

Edited by Kiryuin Ragyo, 31 October 2014 - 03:56 AM.

[Thorn Hallis]

Cattra Kell, on 30 October 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

Like how the btech cartoon is considered "canon" in that it was a childs propaganda show that aired in the Inner Sphere during the invasion.

Thats lore by FASA. Catalyst changed it to real events, so the FedCom had three victories against the Clans before Tukayyid.

[Robert blackseven Sohn]

Mcgral18, on 30 October 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:

Panthers are being released in February 3050; a full 8 months before '51.

Battletech years dropped two months now?

[Haike]

Cannons are good. I like cannons

[CDLord HHGD]

Seems to me they got the style correct with the mech art, look and feel. I have faith there. No Gundam for me please. What would set me off a bit is if they started to add non-canon weapons and tech. There are still PLENTY to use left in the genre. And if they move away from the lore. We already know this isn't going to be a 1:1 timeline. But Hanse Davion is still alive. So is Melissa, Takashi, et.al. We know we in the Inner Sphere and our factions are lore.

Most of the story elements are present so that sates my need for Lore. The mechs look like battletech/mechwarrior and just recently did they "invent" a variant so the chassis is eligible. This opens the door for so many more. Now, if only we could get the HG Unseen (burn in hell HG) and Alex puts his unique touches on them......

[Joseph Mallan]

Cattra Kell, on 30 October 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:

You have to remember all the Mechwarrior games are considered not to be canon in terms of timeline / meta. Rather they are considered alternative actions and timelines created in the simpits. If I recall correctly from the explanation given a few years ago around mech 4 is that the battles were considered "simpit replays" or something like that.

Like how the btech cartoon is considered "canon" in that it was a childs propaganda show that aired in the Inner Sphere during the invasion.

Until CatLabs incorporates vehicles from the video game into the TT. Then it is also part of the Canon. And a tiny footnote on the big picture that is the lore of BattleTech

Thorn Hallis, on 31 October 2014 - 04:00 AM, said:

Thats lore by FASA. Catalyst changed it to real events, so the FedCom had three victories against the Clans before Tukayyid.

And Adam Steiner became Archon of the Lyran Alliance/Commonwealth.

[Mercules]

The Flying Gecko, on 30 October 2014 - 05:02 PM, said:

None of this is remotely on-topic so I'll attempt to re-phrase my original post:

How would you feel about about brand-new non-canon mechs being introduced to the game, not just variants but entire chassis? What about weapon systems and supplementary equipment?

There are a huge number of canon mechs so there is really no need to start making some up. They might have to come up with some new variants for a few, but not whole new chassis.

Weapon/equipment really do not need to be made up as we have plenty already. I wouldn't mind some of the "light" autocannons coming out earlier that canon but otherwise there are plenty of advancements that will switch up the weapons areas as well.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mercules, on 31 October 2014 - 04:57 AM, said:

There are a huge number of canon mechs so there is really no need to start making some up. They might have to come up with some new variants for a few, but not whole new chassis.

Weapon/equipment really do not need to be made up as we have plenty already. I wouldn't mind some of the "light" autocannons coming out earlier that canon but otherwise there are plenty of advancements that will switch up the weapons areas as well.

Mechs Like the Blood Asp and Uziel were introduced to TT from the Video game IIRC.

[Mcgral18]

Robert blackseven Sohn, on 31 October 2014 - 04:15 AM, said:

Battletech years dropped two months now?

Well, 10 months does contain 8 months.

It might not be accurate, but it's true!

[Belorion]

Mcgral18, on 30 October 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

Well, kinda.

One Panther doesn't exist until 3051, CTF 3D isn't until 3050, but that's excusable since it used to be 3050.

Its not the Panther... The Enforcer ENF-5P is a completely new variant.

[Mcgral18]

Belorion, on 31 October 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

Its not the Panther... The Enforcer ENF-5P is a completely new variant.

Well, this contradicts the fact that the timeline holds true. We have out of timeline mechs, along with entirely new ones (which do include most Heroes).