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[Captain Stiffy]

5 missile boats + more with missiles vs no ECM = GG

As long as there's going to be such a massive balance gap on it must be taken into account when matching.

Edited by Captain Stiffy, 31 October 2014 - 11:35 PM.

[Brody319]

No, they just need to reward carrying ECM. Then you will get more ECM naturally without restricting play on non-ecm mechs.
Give us 50 cb and 10 XP for every friendly mech under ECM coverage every 20 seconds, and you will see LRMs and ECM swap in numbers.

[Mystere]

Oh, brother! Here's another one.

[Joseph Mallan]

Gotta agree with Mystere, Though ECM should never have blocked Missile lock, knowing ECM is out there, having some direct fire weapons and dumb fire SRMs, can make short work of ECM.

All eggs/one basket...

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 01 November 2014 - 03:30 AM.

[Tarogato]

The problem is thus:

1. Stormcrow sale
2. Shadowhawk sale
3. Atlas-S
4. Centy-AH
5. Recent clan C-bill releases
6. Events (omg must farm scores with LRMs!)

... = nobody in ECM mechs. Actually most of the lights I'm seeing at the moment are my fellow Locusts and the DDCs are few these days. Can't wait until we get some Loki's out there. Then the ECM gripe will hit like a truck. =]

So yeah, nothing much wrong with matchmaker not factoring ECM, it's just that these past weeks have really encouraged things that just happen to not be ECM and everybody is still on that bandwagon. If it's bothering you, hop in an ECM mech yourself. It hasn't been bothering me, so my 3M is staying in the shed and my Locusts are plaguing. =]

Edited by Tarogato, 01 November 2014 - 03:41 AM.

[Thorn Hallis]

I agree in so far that the matchmaker needs to place ECM on both sides, not just on one.

[SpiralFace]

problem isn't ECM in this case, its the indirect LRM mechanics, and the fact that it literally takes a lance 2 seconds to get a target lock when firing indirectly.

I feel like the BAP change next week will only highlight the issue more. I'm glad they are affecting the LRM mechanic to give active LRM boats at least a "window" to do something in, but the indirect fire thing is going to be a BIG issue come Tuesday unless they start integrating something like a lock on penalty when firing indirectly.

[Alistair Winter]

The whole way LRM and ECM works needs to be changed. They're a huge issue at lower levels of play, and a non-issue (i.e. there are no effective LRM boats) at higher levels of play.

Give us weapons and information warfare that provides challenging and fun gameplay at all levels.

[The Wakelord]

The matchmaker shouldn't - you're being daft.

If the matchmaker takes ECM into account, then it should also take into account:
1) # of LRMs per side
2) # of snipers per side
3) # of brawlers per side
4) # of module-maxed per side..
Heck, let's just make every single match identical so every match we know there are 5 LRMs equipped, 2 ECM equipped, 3 brawlers and 1 cashed-up player

Roll with the changing game - the fact each match composition is unique is the only variation this game has!

[Cyborne Elemental]

ECM is going to get hit pretty hard with the BAP buff coming, anti-ECM out to 350 meters... yow..

[nehebkau]

Captain Stiffy, on 31 October 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

5 missile boats + more with missiles vs no ECM = GG

As long as there's going to be such a massive balance gap on it must be taken into account when matching.

Better solution, make LRMs require LOS to fire.

[Thorn Hallis]

nehebkau, on 01 November 2014 - 06:05 AM, said:

Better solution, make LRMs require LOS to fire.

...or make them require LOS only when not TAGed or NARCed? You know, to promote teamplay and stuff.

[Piney II]

Gotta love the QQ about not having ECM on your team..............

You really want ECM? Take an ECM mech into the match. Support YOUR TEAM with it.

[Joseph Mallan]

Thorn Hallis, on 01 November 2014 - 06:14 AM, said:

...or make them require LOS only when not TAGed or NARCed? You know, to promote teamplay and stuff.

using your allies LoS is a better application of team play. Giving your Jenner or Spider an extra LRM60(28-30 tons more weapons) is considered team work you know.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 01 November 2014 - 06:22 AM.

[Haji1096]

If you want ECM on your team, you should take ECM.

[InspectorG]

The Wakelord, on 01 November 2014 - 05:45 AM, said:

The matchmaker shouldn't - you're being daft.

If the matchmaker takes ECM into account, then it should also take into account:
1) # of LRMs per side
2) # of snipers per side
3) # of brawlers per side
4) # of module-maxed per side..
Heck, let's just make every single match identical so every match we know there are 5 LRMs equipped, 2 ECM equipped, 3 brawlers and 1 cashed-up player

Roll with the changing game - the fact each match composition is unique is the only variation this game has!

You forgot balancing right handed players using right side armed mechs versus lefties running the right side builds...gotta be fair and all...

[LordSkeletor]

InspectorG, on 01 November 2014 - 07:53 AM, said:

You forgot balancing right handed players using right side armed mechs versus lefties running the right side builds...gotta be fair and all...

ECM needs to be reduced to 1/2 it's normal radius and everything will be fine.

[Mystere]

sneeking, on 01 November 2014 - 06:20 AM, said:

Never a truer word typed, if you want it then bring it.

And if you don't want to bring one, then shoot and kill the enemies that have one.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mystere, on 01 November 2014 - 08:46 AM, said:

And if you don't want to bring one, then shoot and kill the enemies that have one.

Preach it loud brother!

[Chrithu]

Brody319, on 31 October 2014 - 11:39 PM, said:

No, they just need to reward carrying ECM. Then you will get more ECM naturally without restricting play on non-ecm mechs.
Give us 50 cb and 10 XP for every friendly mech under ECM coverage every 20 seconds, and you will see LRMs and ECM swap in numbers.

How's that supposed to work out as you describe???

If you encourage ECM usage even more you directly restrict play on non-ecm mechs because people have even less incentive to use them.

We have that situation already. Any chassis with an ECM variant has it's non-ECM variants only used because they need to be used for unlocking elite on the ECM variant.

That aside except for caustic valley and alpine peaks there are ways to overcome LRM heavy teams even without ECM, just takes some cochones and coordination.