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[Twilight Fenrir]

Alright, I am really, really sick of my ISP. My latency is great when it's stable, at around 60... but it's SO unstable 90% of the time I can use it. Swinging up into the 2K+ and back down, a few times a minute. Sometimes worse.

I'm out in the sticks, so it's what I've got, dial up, or satellite.

I know Satellite is gonna put a minimum of 300 on my ping... but someone once told me that this game was playable at that once state rewind kicked in waaay back when...

Does anyone else have experience with this, and can verify or discredit? I've stuck with this horrible ISP for 4-5 years, pretty much just so I could play this game, and MW4. It's pretty much the only online gaming I do...

In particular, I'm looking at Hughesnet Gen4, if it matters....

Thanks.

[Poopy Joe]

Twilight Fenrir, on 14 November 2014 - 08:59 PM, said:

Alright, I am really, really sick of my ISP. My latency is great when it's stable, at around 60... but it's SO unstable 90% of the time I can use it. Swinging up into the 2K+ and back down, a few times a minute. Sometimes worse.

I'm out in the sticks, so it's what I've got, dial up, or satellite.

I know Satellite is gonna put a minimum of 300 on my ping... but someone once told me that this game was playable at that once state rewind kicked in waaay back when...

Does anyone else have experience with this, and can verify or discredit? I've stuck with this horrible ISP for 4-5 years, pretty much just so I could play this game, and MW4. It's pretty much the only online gaming I do...

In particular, I'm looking at Hughesnet Gen4, if it matters....

Thanks.

For anything that is good and holy in this known universe and multiuniverse DO NOT GO WITH hughesnet


http://www.consumera...net/hughes.html

Read that please.

[Bill Lumbar]

Man You are in a pickle for sure. I also live in the sticks and have land line, its not dial up...but I am only getting around 10.25 bits per second download speed and .42 bits upload. Ping is around 44 milla. It is provided through my local phone service RTC and they charge way more for it then when I was on Charter up in Northern IL. I pay $80 bucks a month, $50 for the phone line which I do not use, like ever... and $30 for the internet.

With Charter I was getting around 30 bits per second down, and 5-6 bits upload and 23 milla for ping, all for only $29 bucks a month, no phone required. I checked into Hughesnet Gen4 about two years ago...and it was gonna be EXPENSIVE.... like $150 a month and had to lease their equipment on top of that fee or sign a long contract with them, 2 or 3 years I think. Plus If I am not mistaken.... the speeds would not be much better then what I have now with RTC and there would be a cap on DATA used.. 10GB, 20GB, 30GB or whatever they offer. Each package cost more though.... cheapest on was like $120 month or something stupid. I feel for you and I long for the day that I see the lines out here upgraded to fiber....but I doubt it will happen anytime soon here. I am the middle of a National forest preserver in Southern Indiana and on a Gravel road. We don't even have county water lines that come down it..... which IMO is a good thing.

Good luck with it, and if I am not mistaken, if the weather is bad outside...storms or anything you will loose service or it will drop and pick back up like crazy if you go with any Satellite service provider.

Poopy Joe, on 14 November 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

For anything that is good and holy in this known universe and multiuniverse DO NOT GO WITH hughesnet


http://www.consumera...net/hughes.html

Read that please.

I am gonna have to second this.... they suck!

[Twilight Fenrir]

Bill Lumbar, on 14 November 2014 - 09:27 PM, said:

Man You are in a pickle for sure. I also live in the sticks and have land line, its not dial up...but I am only getting around 10.25 bits per second download speed and .42 bits upload. Ping is around 44 milla. It is provided through my local phone service RTC and they charge way more for it then when I was on Charter up in Northern IL. I pay $80 bucks a month, $50 for the phone line which I do not use, like ever... and $30 for the internet.

With Charter I was getting around 30 bits per second down, and 5-6 bits upload and 23 milla for ping, all for only $29 bucks a month, no phone required. I checked into Hughesnet Gen4 about two years ago...and it was gonna be EXPENSIVE.... like $150 a month and had to lease their equipment on top of that fee or sign a long contract with them, 2 or 3 years I think. Plus If I am not mistaken.... the speeds would not be much better then what I have now with RTC and there would be a cap on DATA used.. 10GB, 20GB, 30GB or whatever they offer. Each package cost more though.... cheapest on was like $120 month or something stupid. I feel for you and I long for the day that I see the lines out here upgraded to fiber....but I doubt it will happen anytime soon here. I am the middle of a National forest preserver in Southern Indiana and on a Gravel road. We don't even have county water lines that come down it..... which IMO is a good thing.

Good luck with it, and if I am not mistaken, if the weather is bad outside...storms or anything you will loose service or it will drop and pick back up like crazy if you go with any Satellite service provider.


I am gonna have to second this.... they suck!

Well, I get my internet right now from a radio tower... Again, it would be awesome if the F*ing thing worked. But as soon as everyone else gets on their internet, the receiver has to make a que or something, resulting in delays. They promised a new system would be going in this fall, but it fell through for one reason or another... It's always been up and down with them, I'll get a stretch of a few months where it works great, and I forget why I was upset... then it hits a brick wall again... it's pretty much worse now than it's ever been though. And it is infuriating trying to play. If I have them just so I can play games, but the service is so shoddy I can't play the games most of the time... what's the point? >_>


The really, really assanine thing is... they ran a fiber optic cable through my driveway last year. This last month, they ran another cable on the other side of the highway I live on... There's glorious, broadband, hard line cable just a few hundred feet from my house... but the company that put it in doesn't provide residential service X_X

[Bill Lumbar]

Twilight Fenrir, on 14 November 2014 - 09:34 PM, said:

Well, I get my internet right now from a radio tower... Again, it would be awesome if the F*ing thing worked. But as soon as everyone else gets on their internet, the receiver has to make a que or something, resulting in delays. They promised a new system would be going in this fall, but it fell through for one reason or another... It's always been up and down with them, I'll get a stretch of a few months where it works great, and I forget why I was upset... then it hits a brick wall again... it's pretty much worse now than it's ever been though. And it is infuriating trying to play. If I have them just so I can play games, but the service is so shoddy I can't play the games most of the time... what's the point? >_>


The really, really assanine thing is... they ran a fiber optic cable through my driveway last year. This last month, they ran another cable on the other side of the highway I live on... There's glorious, broadband, hard line cable just a few hundred feet from my house... but the company that put it in doesn't provide residential service X_X

Well.... start a computer repair shop from home.... build the you know what out of computers... or don't, just put a sign up in your yard that looks nice and professional, call that company up and tell them you are a new upstart business and need good service for your business to grow.

I know the spot you are in.... my provider even though it is land line will sometimes drop me in bad weather....like if it storms really hard. I also had a issue with the modem they first set me up with, it turned out it was defective and had to try to trouble shoot my connection for almost a month before they sent some one out to switch out the modem. I kept telling them their was something wrong with the modem... they finely sent a tech out to look at it. Sure enough it was the modem that was failing off and on. The tech was nice enough to leave me 3 extra modems and gave me the instructions on how to setup the new modem if the other one fails again. :-)

You can look into Huges if you want to.... but If I was you I would forget them and never look back at them.

Edited by Bill Lumbar, 15 November 2014 - 07:17 AM.

[Warglbargl]

While I was in Iraq we had a Hugesnet setup, monthly bill was close to $2k USD. Even before you look into contention ratios and such, the signal has to travel a very long distance. Light just isn't fast enough to hope for pings below 800-1100ms.

[Tatula]

What kind of cell signal do you get? Maybe look into a 4G cellular modem if data signal is good.

[Popper100]

Ah, this sounds like my field of expertise.

First things first. Do not look at Hughesnet, Wildblue, or any subsidiary of said companies. They are running outdated and not tracking satellite equipment that essentially gives you roughly an hour of usable, semi-quality internet. If land lines aren't available then the next step is to see if Verizon/AT&T have a semi reasonable deal on 4G service. By semi-reasonanble I'm talking $100 for 50 gigs a month, it happens, but it's scarce. If that fails it's time to do some digging, look for independent companies and begin calling them up and ask for specifics about their system. Ideally you would have something like the company I worked for, which is a proprietary frequency, point to point, microwave radio set-up. Buzzwords are WiMax, Purewave, and Ubiquiti. Should the rep start telling you about the system and it matches what I'm describing you then ask for a site check and ask the tech which mountain/tower he is shooting to, how many hops until the main connection, and what is acceptable ping for his installation. As a reference point each mountain/tower hop is an added 30ms ping and the hop from home to the first mountain tower is typically 35-40ms. Last, but not least, inspect the install and check for quality and pride. This will give you an idea on if this company is going to be good on maintaining the network or if they just let it ride with any outages and hiccups.

I currently still have this set-up for my home, and while MWO is subpar (115ms ping average) other games are near optimal (80ms ping average), the trick is finding a good company and paying for the service even if it feels a bit pricy. There are a lot of scumbag companies just trying to make a buck and not giving a crap about their customers, just the way ISP business works sometimes.

[Ace Selin]

Im in Australia and play on tethered wifi with usual ping around 300. It works fine for me most of the time. Occasionally i do get lag etc but most of the time I have fun playing and when theres too much lag I play LRMs or streak which don't need much skill to do damage & get kills.

[-Natural Selection-]

Not sure you situation with cable in that area.

When I built my house they would not run cable to my house. Only 3 of us own the property and road to them with no future possibility for them to make money off the long run to us. But after some negotiating they provided the primary cable wire and terminated everything but we had to put it all in the ground. 3 days with a trencher and backhoe but sat. was only other option..

Might not apply, but for any in that situation they will work with ya.

[Sandpit]

I would check with AT&T. They have a few new speeds offered (up to 12mbps I believe) that might improve your performance. I just got a new offer from them for 19.99 per month for the top speed for the first 12 months.

That's about the only thing I can think of other than looking into using your cell as a wifi hotspot via tethering or something along those lines. Hope that helps

[Green Mamba]

I have always heard that Satellite of any brand is just a step up from 56k Dial up

[Sandpit]

The thing with Satellite is the ping. Even with high speed access via sat, you'll still be experiencing higher pings for gaming purposes and they typically require long-tern contracts so even if that happens you're stuck unless you get a trial deal of some kind :\

[Twilight Fenrir]

Neither AT&T, or Verizon offer internet to me.... I can't find any wimax-type setups around... to the best of my ability to find, there are only 3 non-satelite ISPs in my area... and two of them don't have any infrastructure near me :/ And, I don't get cell service in my house, so I can't use my phone as a tether, either.

So... it's pretty much what I've got, or satellite still...

Edited by Twilight Fenrir, 16 November 2014 - 04:01 PM.

[Sandpit]

Twilight Fenrir, on 16 November 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Neither AT&T, or Verizon offer internet to me.... I can't find any wimax-type setups around... to the best of my ability to find, there are only 3 non-satelite ISPs in my area... and two of them don't have any infrastructure near me :/ And, I don't get cell service in my house, so I can't use my phone as a tether, either.

So... it's pretty much what I've got, or satellite still...

then you might try satellite but I'd see if you could find a "trial" offer of some kind so if you get it and it sucks or simply won't work you're not stuck in a long-term contract or forced to pay hundreds in early elimination and I'd get that trial offer in writing. Satellite companies are notorious for telling you one thing and then saying "well we're sorry but you were informed wrongly" and you're on the hook

[Warglbargl]

Sandpit, on 16 November 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

then you might try satellite but I'd see if you could find a "trial" offer of some kind so if you get it and it sucks or simply won't work you're not stuck in a long-term contract or forced to pay hundreds in early elimination and I'd get that trial offer in writing. Satellite companies are notorious for telling you one thing and then saying "well we're sorry but you were informed wrongly" and you're on the hook

Don't try it. It will suck, it must suck.

Modern satellite Internet service is typically provided to users through geostationary satellites that can offer high data speeds.

geostationary orbit, (GEO), is an orbit whose position in the sky remains the same for a stationary observer on earth. This effect is achieved with a circular 35,786 kilometres (22,236 mi) above the Earth's equator and following the direction of the Earth's rotation.

The speed of light is about 186,282 miles per second.

This adds half a second to your ping before it ever actually gets anywhere.

[Sandpit]

Warglbargl, on 16 November 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Don't try it. It will suck, it must suck.

Modern satellite Internet service is typically provided to users through geostationary satellites that can offer high data speeds.

geostationary orbit, (GEO), is an orbit whose position in the sky remains the same for a stationary observer on earth. This effect is achieved with a circular 35,786 kilometres (22,236 mi) above the Earth's equator and following the direction of the Earth's rotation.

The speed of light is about 186,282 miles per second.

This adds half a second to your ping before it ever actually gets anywhere.

^this
much better wording and explanation than I could have provided but this is what I meant by "high speed but poor for gaming ping" when it comes to this particular option. Even still, it might be an improvement over what you have now. If you can find a trial offer no harm no foul

[Twilight Fenrir]

Sandpit, on 16 November 2014 - 05:36 PM, said:

^this
much better wording and explanation than I could have provided but this is what I meant by "high speed but poor for gaming ping" when it comes to this particular option. Even still, it might be an improvement over what you have now. If you can find a trial offer no harm no foul

Yep, I understand the technology involved and its drawbacks... Someone told me they had Hughesnet, and it ran at a 300 ping, but the game was still playable... that's why I was wondering...


Can this game run over dial up? Because I will totally get dial up to game with, and sattalite to not have sh*tty dial up for my main internet XD

[Sandpit]

I sincerely doubt any online games would run on dial up but you could give it a try

[Twilight Fenrir]

MW4 used to... but, that game is forever old now...

At this point... I think a pair of soup cans and a string would be better than my current ISP...

Edited by Twilight Fenrir, 28 November 2014 - 07:19 PM.