23 replies to this topic

[The Boz]

I don't understand the TBR's rear armor hitboxes. I am behind it, shooting at the small center square on the TBR's back with an AC10, and out of five shots, one went there, two to the right rear torso, one to the left rear torso, and one to the left leg (according to the enemy mech paper doll). It didn't even penetrate the center rear armor. I don't get it.

[Remarius]

Yes its hinky.... same as SCR. Best thing is you can pour fire into their backs when neither of you are moving and nothing seems to happen..... Its their "quirked* rear armour.

[Elizander]

Just leg them or blow an arm off.

[Remarius]

Elizander, on 18 November 2014 - 02:54 AM, said:

Just leg them or blow an arm off.

Or CT them from the front in fairness....

I just find it an irony that a light gets behind me in a IS mech and I'm in trouble. In my TBR not that worried.

[Moonlander]

Yeah, this happens a lot. I also notice sometimes the closer you are to something, the more issues I have with larger ballistics hitting/going through my target. I had dual LBX10 on my AS7-D and I noticed when people would charge and hug me, none of my LBX rounds would hit them, rather shoot out their back. I actually got a TK this way once. Never expected it to happen.

[Keira RAVEN McKenna]

yet in my twolf my backside gets ripped a new one

[Marmon Rzohr]

The Boz, on 18 November 2014 - 02:37 AM, said:

I don't understand the TBR's rear armor hitboxes. I am behind it, shooting at the small center square on the TBR's back with an AC10, and out of five shots, one went there, two to the right rear torso, one to the left rear torso, and one to the left leg (according to the enemy mech paper doll). It didn't even penetrate the center rear armor. I don't get it.

Could be a lag spike, a hit reg issue or simply a slight twitch of the mouse. It's kind hard to tell sometimes. Also keep in mind that some players carry quite a lot of back armor (like 20 or maybe a few points more).

Personally, I haven't experienced this. Shots through the back seem to work just fine when I have them.

[Eboli]

The Madcat is just one tough S.O.B for a light to take on. If they see you coming their turning rotation is extremely good to ensure that it is very difficult hard to get behind them. Even if you can keep behind them I find it rare to kill them because you never seem to be able to register a hit in the right spot. Taking a Madcat on full frontal is not going to work either.

Maybe legging them is the best thing to do...

[El Bandito]

I personally think it is horsedung, that once you get behind a Heavy mech with very thin rear armor (many people, including me, equip only 2-5 armor on Timbie rear torsi), your best bet is to aim for the fully armored leg instead. There is clearly some balance issue that needs to be addressed.

If this clip below was about MWO, the Raven would be dead since it's shots (3:35) will not register at one spot.

Edited by El Bandito, 18 November 2014 - 04:01 AM.

[Kmieciu]

Timberwolf was designed for honorable clan combat. The Devs did not anticipate that someone might backstab them :-)

[Triordinant]

El Bandito, on 18 November 2014 - 03:57 AM, said:

I personally think it is horsedung, that once you get behind a Heavy mech with very thin rear armor (many people, including me, equip only 2-5 armor on Timbie rear torsi), your best bet is to aim for the fully armored leg instead. There is clearly some balance issue that needs to be addressed.

Right now it's not so obvious because both teams tend to have Clan 'mechs with godlike hitboxes. If they don't fix those hitboxes before CW, most people will stop playing CW.

[The Boz]

Elizander, on 18 November 2014 - 02:54 AM, said:

Just leg them or blow an arm off.

[TyphonCh]

I almost always aim for ST's anyway on Clan mechs. Less armor, cripples them. The CT is hard to hit with the gimped CT on some of them

Edited by Team Chevy86, 18 November 2014 - 05:02 AM.

[FupDup]

I've heard rumors that the TBR's rear hitboxes might be bugged in that damage dealt to them usually goes somewhere else unless you're standing pretty much directly behind them (i.e. shoot at angle = misregistered hit). The fact that the rear torsos on the TBR are pretty much as flat as the side of a board doesn't exactly make it any easier. This mech can get away with more armor frontloading than many can.

[Revis Volek]

The TBR and SCR are bugged....i cant beileve it took this long for someone to make a forums post.


They DO NOT take damage where they are suppose to in the back. NEVER...i had a TBR dead to right last night. Me and 2 other in FS9's. 3 32 point alphas to the back...never made it thought the CT rear armor. Hurt legs, ST's and a little CT back damage.

This needs to be fixed....i rock about 3 armor on the back of my TBR and it performs like mechs with 18 points.

[Brody319]

When I pilot my wolves it seems like when I get shot in the back, my face takes the damage.

[Marmon Rzohr]

DarthRevis, on 18 November 2014 - 07:27 AM, said:

The TBR and SCR are bugged....i cant beileve it took this long for someone to make a forums post.


They DO NOT take damage where they are suppose to in the back. NEVER...i had a TBR dead to right last night. Me and 2 other in FS9's. 3 32 point alphas to the back...never made it thought the CT rear armor. Hurt legs, ST's and a little CT back damage.

This needs to be fixed....i rock about 3 armor on the back of my TBR and it performs like mechs with 18 points.

Ok, now this is ridiculous. Even with wonky hitboxes and possible hit detection issues, what you described can't happen unless the aim was horrible.

[MerryIguana]

Timber rear hitboxes really need a fix. Ravens legs too.

[Willard Phule]

First, a lot of it has to do with the "point of origin" of the weapon being fired. A good example of this is the Atlas D-DC. Not only is it a pain to remember your arm mounted lasers are firing from waist level, they're also firing from a fairly wide stance (on both sides of the body.)

When I was first dealing with mastering my Mediums and Heavies, I learned pretty quick that it's best to get inside those arms and get close enough to the D-DC that it can't hit me where it's aiming. The crosshairs might be on my CT, but it's just going to burn armor off my arms until there's a little distance between us.

Secondly, it's Clan. Might just as well nerf it now. Just to be safe. It'd suck to miss the opportunity to nerf something Clan and have to come back to get it later. Someone go tell Paul to take his Soccer Bat to the Timber Wolf immediately.

[LT. HARDCASE]

I have the same thing happen in my Mad Dog. I was running from 2 or 3 mech, and almost all of the damage registered on my front armor. Same thing tends to happen in mu Stormcrow.