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[Spleenslitta]

Future Perfect, on 26 June 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

Two points of damage over ten seconds.

Have you seen this firerate with your own two eyes? If you haven't then i fail to believe you. And even if you did MW:O is still in beta so things can change drasticly.
You are a very annoying person who lacks imagination sir.

[Kael Tropheus]

Oh and I didnt assume a light mech. The highest armor any mech can have in the head is 8 points plus 3 of internal structure, from a locust to an Atlas, thats why a clan PPC or Gauss to the cockpit is an instant death hit.. Four hits from an AC2 to the head and no armor. 2 more and dead head. Rate of fire will likely be much higher for the lighter less damaging weapons. I wouldnt be surpised if it fires every 2 seconds.

Edited by Kael Tropheus, 26 June 2012 - 07:02 AM.

[Rustic Dude]

Okay guys nothing to see here it is just a troll.

[Spleenslitta]

I must say you're a very rude person Future Perfect. You just sent me a PM with swear words in it.
Too bad i deleted it. I should have reported it instead and i won't go away like you requested in your PM.

I'm staying right here.

Rustic Dude, on 26 June 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

Okay guys nothing to see here it is just a troll.

You think so? Okay. If you say so. He does have those lacking manners which is common among such foul creatures.

[Future Perfect]

Spleenslitta, on 26 June 2012 - 06:42 AM, said:

I must say you're a very rude person Future Perfect. You just sent me a PM with swear words in it.
Too bad i deleted it. I should have reported it instead and i won't go away like you requested in your PM.

I'm staying right here.


You think so? Okay. If you say so. He does have those lacking manners which is common among such foul creatures.

I'm always rude to your type of creatures.

[Mchawkeye]

I now think this argument is less about the actual viability of any given weapon and more the issue of
"I think such and such; there fore it should be banned/should be in the game etc"

Well here is the rub. Just because you think something is rubbish (or equally a great idea) doesn't not mean it should or shouldn't happen.

it's amazing the power of the words "I think..." or "I am of the opinion.." can do to alter the nature of a post; suggestions are good, outright declarations are not. Especially when such things are negative.

It was a potentially interesting subject to discuss. Now it's likely to get locked down tight.

So well done there.

[Future Perfect]

Mchawkeye, on 26 June 2012 - 07:04 AM, said:

I now think this argument is less about the actual viability of any given weapon and more the issue of
"I think such and such; there fore it should be banned/should be in the game etc"

Well here is the rub. Just because you think something is rubbish (or equally a great idea) doesn't not mean it should or shouldn't happen.

it's amazing the power of the words "I think..." or "I am of the opinion.." can do to alter the nature of a post; suggestions are good, outright declarations are not. Especially when such things are negative.

It was a potentially interesting subject to discuss. Now it's likely to get locked down tight.

So well done there.

Too bad that you lack the skills to actually debate then.

And you are the one who got it locked down so just sod off.

[Death Mallet]

AC/2 could potentially be the most powerful weapon in the game.

Just depends on how fast a cycle time the devs give it.

There's nothing wrong with the weapon, and I'm sure it will stay.

[Gedeon Kane]

Future Perfect, on 26 June 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

Everything that causes frustration for the new player should be removed from the game and that some fans wants it to remain is moot.

This is just common sense 101.

ummmmmmmmmmmm..... no?

[Mchawkeye]

Future Perfect, on 26 June 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Too bad that you lack the skills to actually debate then.

Really? I thought I was being rather poignant. Without resorting to nasty PMs.

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And you are the one who got it locked down

Uh. It isn't...yet...

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so just sod off.

Bless. You sound like an irate 13 year old Etonian. How cute.

[Steel Talon]

even MGs are in
seems like devs will include PVE later on

[Spleenslitta]

May i have your attention for a moment Future Perfect?
I wanted to try and see things from your perspective Future Perfect. So i read all your posts in this thread and you didn't document where you got this 2 damage points per 10 seconds.

Where did you get it? From the way i see it there are four different ways you could get it.

1) Your in beta and the AC 2 performs like this. You are walking a fine line of breaking the NDA if this is the case.

2) You're making a theory based on the fact that the developers are sticking close to the TT rules and you believe one round is equal to 10 seconds.
Where did you get this fact?

3) You played an old MW game where the AC 2's fire rate was veeeerrryyy low. Funny thing is that i don't remember a single MW game where the AC 2's fire rate was so low.
What is the name of this mystery MW game?

4) There is gameplay video that i'm not aware of or maybe you gained this knowledge through leaked beta information.
If it is leaked beta information you're doing something wrong.
You're one of those....those....baddies that support those who break the NDA aren't you? What a villain you are.

[Future Perfect]

Spleenslitta, on 26 June 2012 - 07:30 AM, said:

May i have your attention for a moment Future Perfect?
I wanted to try and see things from your perspective Future Perfect. So i read all your posts in this thread and you didn't document where you got this 2 damage points per 10 seconds.

Where did you get it? From the way i see it there are four different ways you could get it.

1) Your in beta and the AC 2 performs like this. You are walking a fine line of breaking the NDA if this is the case.

2) You're making a theory based on the fact that the developers are sticking close to the TT rules and you believe one round is equal to 10 seconds.
Where did you get this fact?

3) You played an old MW game where the AC 2's fire rate was veeeerrryyy low. Funny thing is that i don't remember a single MW game where the AC 2's fire rate was so low.
What is the name of this mystery MW game?

4) There is gameplay video that i'm not aware of or maybe you gained this knowledge through leaked beta information.
If it is leaked beta information you're doing something wrong.
You're one of those....those....baddies that support those who break the NDA aren't you? What a villain you are.

It's 2).

[Mchawkeye]

Future Perfect, on 26 June 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's 2).

You assume a lot there...

[Future Perfect]

Mchawkeye, on 26 June 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

You assume a lot there...

And why not since everything else is close to the TT rules probably because the licensing agreement sais so.

And that's my assumption of the licensing agreement.

Edited by Future Perfect, 26 June 2012 - 07:46 AM.

[Spleenslitta]

Future Perfect, on 26 June 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

It's 2).

Ah...thank you for your answer. Now if you take a look at the different gameplay videos you're going to notice a few things.
Here is a link for your convinience- MechWarrior Online - Assault Mech Developer Breakdown

Notice how all the different weapons have different fire rates? You can really see the difference at 1:33 --- 1:40 in the above video.
See how the AC 20 fires before the medium lasers and yet those 4 medium lasers almost manages to recharge fully before the AC 20 is ready to fire again.
The AC 20 was 1/3 through it's reloading cycle when those lasers fired....

Noticing how wrong you are?

Edited by Spleenslitta, 26 June 2012 - 07:52 AM.

[namarah]

Or thay may work like in MW:LL where the RoF is quite high. good against soft targets and light armour. (And aerospace but I don't think that would be in)

[Alizabeth Aijou]

Firelizard, on 26 June 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:

They would actually be good for suppressing scout mechs, as they have the range to reach out, and the little guys cant take too many hits of any kind.

And both the ER Large Laser and ERPPC would be better options all-round.
Especially once clantech comes around.
AC/2: 7 tons minimum (6+1). 24 maximum range. 2 damage/hit.
ERLL: 5 tons. 19 maximum range. 8 damage/hit.
ERPPC: 7 tons. 23 maximum range. 10 damage/hit.
Clan ERLL: 4 tons. 25 maximum range. 10 damage/hit.
Clan ERPPC: 6 tons. 23 maximum range. 15 damage/hit.
Clan LPL: 6 tons. 20 maximum range. 10 damage/hit.

And the LB-2X autocannon doesn't exist for the IS until 3058.

It's why the HSR-200-D Hussar carries a Laser instead of an Autocannon.

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I think they should leave them in, id quite like to see a jagermech ingame, those things were lethal when sniping you in the cockpit.

Sure... when I can take 6 hits from an AC/2 before it's gone, I'd much rather worry about whatever packs a Large Laser or PPC of any kind - two hits to my CPit from those and it's gone.

[Spleenslitta]

Whoops i loaded up the wrong video in my post above. I meant to load up the assault video but i loaded up the light one.
Oh well....you should have seen your mistake by now Future Perfect but i edited in the assault video just in case...

Please try to be a bit more polite in the future Future Perfect.

[Mchawkeye]

Future Perfect, on 26 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

And why not since everything else is close to the TT rules probably because the licensing agreement sais so.

And that's my assumption of the licensing agreement.

Why not? well, there is a saying about never assuming...And you seemed to take issue with assumptions not 2 pages ago.
The TT was the start of the process, not the end. If every gun was able to fire only once every ten seconds like the table top suggests, then the weapon balance of this game would be so far off it would be inherently unstable. It would implode, I would imagine.

There are many many things that have had to make way for the computer game to make sense; the 10 seconds a turn is something that was used, it seems, to educate relative speeds, but in terms of actually actioning something; being permitted to do something (like fire guns, turn RADAR on or off etc) you couldn't possibly limit in that bracket.
some things have to alter from TT to make the game work. rate of fire, I would imagine, would be somewhere near the top of the list.

Edited by Mchawkeye, 26 June 2012 - 08:00 AM.