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[The Mechromancer]

If I max the armor?

thinking about getting them, and wanna know what kinda builds I can pull off without stock low armor.

[Fuggles]

23.5 for just the mech, max armor, and it's minimum equipment. 22.5 if you Include ecm on the prime torso.

Something silly like 45 free slots so space won't be an issue anywhere.

Edited by Fuggles, 06 November 2014 - 08:06 AM.

[TripleEhBeef]

Ignore: I thought it said HellSINGER.

Edited by TripleEhBeef, 06 November 2014 - 08:11 AM.

[Kain Demos]

22.5 w/ECM.....wonder if it will have enough hardpoints for on e of hte stronger laser vomit builds?

Running 2 PPCs + something will be viable or maybe even in Summoner fashion a gauss with as many medium lasers as you have hardpoints for.

[IllCaesar]

As mentioned, 22.5 tons enough for just about anything short of what you'd find on a 100-tonner. I'm thinking of a laser vomit build. You can fit six MLs in the LA, LT, and H with ECM and BAP, leaving your entire right torso to do whatever with - I'm thinking Gauss. There's plenty of room for variety in builds - there's a reason why its my favourite Clan mech

[Kain Demos]

MarsAtlas, on 06 November 2014 - 12:44 PM, said:

As mentioned, 22.5 tons enough for just about anything short of what you'd find on a 100-tonner. I'm thinking of a laser vomit build. You can fit six MLs in the LA, LT, and H with ECM and BAP, leaving your entire right torso to do whatever with - I'm thinking Gauss. There's plenty of room for variety in builds - there's a reason why its my favourite Clan mech

6 x C-ERML + C-Gauss works well in my Timberwolf so I'm sure I'd love it with ECM cover in the Hellbringer.

I will probably run this build in the Gargoyle as well.

[Kassatsu]

You can drop a bit on the legs and arms and get 25 tons on an empty chassis. The thing is a CT on legs, I've lost side torsos exactly zero times and have died exclusively to CT, haven't lost an arm or leg either. 43 on each leg, 30 on each arm, max torso armor. Even up against people that were clearly trying to aim for my ECM side or my gauss rifle, I still died from having my CT blown out, more often than not, long before losing front armor on my sides.

And while I'm at it, here are the builds I've used so far with mixed results, the best match I had, by far, was piloting the top one, which also happens to be the most fun to pilot for me. It's no coincidence the top, middle and bottom are my best, middle and worst performers given my playstyle, I figured it could snipe reasonably well, tried a few different versions of the third one and ultimately went with what's linked (tried gauss and an ER PPC but had zero extra heat sinks and it ran WAY too hot - even with only a single ER PPC).

HBR-PRIME

HBR-PRIME

HBR-PRIME

Edited by Kassatsu, 28 November 2014 - 09:33 PM.

[HlynkaCG]

The Mechromancer, on 04 November 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

If I max the armor?

thinking about getting them, and wanna know what kinda builds I can pull off without stock low armor.

28.5 Tonnes of pod space in default configuration, but realistically if you take 368 pts of armor and ECM you'll have 23.5 tonnes left to work with.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6bc4f2c798cf8ef

Edited by HlynkaCG, 29 November 2014 - 12:04 AM.

[Reno Blade]

This might be usefull to compare the Clan mechs:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3824948
Comparing the tonnage of all the Clan mechs, the Summoner and the Gargoyle have less tonage than the other heavy mechs and the Stormcrow.
But the SC only uses 10 DHS while the heavies and the Gargoyle use 12,13,14,15 and 16 DHS using up one ton more each 5ton-heavier tier.


Koshi 25t, 119kph, 6jj, 7.5t and 16 crits space
75% ff armor and endo

Fenris 45t, 129kph, 9.5t and 29 crits space
94% ff armor and endo

Stormcrow/Ryoken 94kph, 23t and 29 crits (22.5tons with full armor)
98% ff armor and endo
10DHS

Vulture 60t, 84kph, 28t and 38crits space (26tons with full armor)
81%ff armor and std internal
12DHS

Hellbringer/loki 65t, 84kph, 28.5t and 43 crits space (23tons with full armor)
but only 60% std armor and std internal
13DHS

Summoner/Thor 70t, 84kph, 22.5t and 35 crits space (20.5tons with full armor)
83% ff armor and std internal
14DHS

Timberwolf/MadCat 75t, 84kph, 27.5t and 31 crits space (27tons with full armor)
99% ff armor and endo
15DHS

Manowar/Gargoyle 80t, 84kph, 21.5t and 36crits space (19.5tons with full armor)
85% ff armor and std structure
16 DHS

Normalized to 16DHS and full armor these mechs have following free tonnages:
Stormcrow 16.5t
MadDog 22t
Hellbringer 20t
Summoner 18.5t
Timberwolf 26t
Gargoyle 19.5t

Ofc the Summoner with 5t for JJ has the lowest for heavy/assault, but the SC is no longer better if you consider the same amount of DHS and the Hellbringer is very close, due to 1t ECM (which most people will try to always use) leaving it with 19t pod space fully armored.

Some builds:

Spoiler

Warhammer WHM-6R (original tech-lvl1 WHM-6R has no ER weapons, XL/FF/Endo or DHS)
12.5t/13.5t armor (les on legs) (original WHM-6R has 10tons armor)
2x ERPPC (one each arm)
2x ERML (both LT)
2x ERSL (LT and HD)
2x MG (RT) +1t ammo
1x SRM6 (RT) +1t ammo
18 DHS

Warhammer WHM-7M (original WHM-7M has no ER ML, FF or XL engine)
12.5t/13.5t armor (les on legs) (original WHM-6R has 10tons armor)
2x ERPPC (one each arm)
2x ERML (both LT)
1x MG (RT) +1t ammo
1x AMS (HD) +1t ammo
1x SRM6 (RT) +1t ammo
18 DHS

Laser brawler1
10t/13.5t armor (less arms and legs)
7x ERML (2x LA, 1x RA, 3xLT 1x HD)
2x SRM6 +2t ammo (RT)
ECM (LT)
27DHS

Laser vomit
11.5t/13.5t armor (less arms and legs)
7x ERML (2x LA, 1x RA, 3xLT 1x HD)
ECM (LT)
30DHS !

ERLL sniper
9.5t/13.5t armor (no on arms and less on legs)
4x ERLL (3x LT, 1x HD)
ECM (LT)
23DHS

[Kassatsu]

Reno Blade, on 29 November 2014 - 02:57 AM, said:

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Literally the only important part to max out the armor on the HBR right now is the CT. When if they fix the hitboxes, then legs and arms might actually matter, but right now you can easily get 24 tons, with ECM, using only the stock heat sinks and max torso armor, while still having more leg and arm armor than most mediums. I've yet to lose a leg, arm or even a side torso before dying to the gigantic gravity well that is this thing's CT so far.

It's tempting (not enough to actually go through with it mind you) to strip the head armor to 1 given how laughably tiny the head hitbox is. I think it might even be smaller than a locust's head hitbox... Which I just realized can potentially have more total HP than front CT on it (No, seriously - assuming only 4 rear points of armor, you have 20 on the front, and 12 internal HP... Heads have 18 armor + 15 internal HP).

[Kain Demos]

So far I'm running 2 x CLPL 4 x CERML on my Prime w/ECM. I added the -A head to put one of the CERMLs in.

I'm sure this would be a bit hot for some but I'm digging it.

[Reno Blade]

Kassatsu, on 29 November 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

Literally the only important part to max out the armor on the HBR right now is the CT. When if they fix the hitboxes, then legs and arms might actually matter, but right now you can easily get 24 tons, with ECM, using only the stock heat sinks and max torso armor, while still having more leg and arm armor than most mediums. I've yet to lose a leg, arm or even a side torso before dying to the gigantic gravity well that is this thing's CT so far.

It's tempting (not enough to actually go through with it mind you) to strip the head armor to 1 given how laughably tiny the head hitbox is. I think it might even be smaller than a locust's head hitbox... Which I just realized can potentially have more total HP than front CT on it (No, seriously - assuming only 4 rear points of armor, you have 20 on the front, and 12 internal HP... Heads have 18 armor + 15 internal HP).

Yea, I began to strip my arms and legs and even front side torso armor to 20-30 points of armor and even then, I didn't lose anything more than one leg before the CT is gone.
And one thing I'm proud of is my twisting

[Keira RAVEN McKenna]

Hellgate version of the Laser vomit is working real good.

http://Hellgate Laser Vomit

Taken 6 heads with it this weekend. I think its the ER large laser directly above the pilot seat doing all the damage.

Build can be cloned with all 3 variants too

Edited by Keira RAVEN McKenna, 30 November 2014 - 03:24 AM.