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[sharerware]

Once CW launches, I would also like the ability to change the hero pattern to my faction pattern/scheme.

[KamikazeRat]

sharerware, on 04 December 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

Once CW launches, I would also like the ability to change the hero pattern to my faction pattern/scheme.

^Pretty much this. YLW is one of my favorites, and it looks terribad in my unit's colors. As well as many other Heroes. If you are going for a uniform cohesive look, you can't use heroes, and they are often arguably the better variants in a set of chassis.

[Joseph Mallan]

DaZur, on 04 December 2014 - 09:24 AM, said:

Easy... difference classifications of "special".

But that is still normal!

It's like the Diversity Training I got... I have to accept everyone for who and what they are... Except Jerks, Bigots and Jackholes!

Which is of course Discrimination!

[DaZur]

sharerware, on 04 December 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

Once CW launches, I would also like the ability to change the hero pattern to my faction pattern/scheme.

Understood...

That said present concession allows one to at least match colors (mostly).

I run all my mechs with a dark teal base and copper accent... Heros included. Absolutely... I'd love for the camo to match but I also understand the premise behind the unique Hero patters.

Joseph Mallan, on 04 December 2014 - 09:50 AM, said:

But that is still normal!

It's like the Diversity Training I got... I have to accept everyone for who and what they are... Except Jerks, Bigots and Jackholes!

Which is of course Discrimination!

I see it as unique categorization of the human essence...

[AnimosityMonk]

Myke Pantera, on 03 December 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

I do mind it for several reasons:
1) Some patterns i don't like much <- personal opinion
2) Some patterns allow you to change very little (Ember)
3) Some patterns don't work with unit schemes (Only 2 colors, or mainly fixed)
4) Some patterns are way to glossy
5) Some patterns pose a disadvantage for the mech, see Yen Low Wang. If you see the pattern you know that you need to shoot that right arm, and it will probably run an XL engine.
6) I don't feel the need to show off that i bought something with real money. I'd much rather pay further real money to have it customized the way i like it.

Edit:
7) Some patterns start to look old. Compare the YLW to the special Ah and you know what i mean.

1) Do not buy it then.
2) See #1
3) See #2
4) Pretty is pretty. Don't you want to look pretty?
5) This one is just a knowledge fail on your part. a) you can use standard green for both primary and secondary colors on the YLW and it will look like every other standard Centurion out there and b)Everyone knows that you always shoot the right arm on a Centurion first.
6) See #'s 1,2 & 3
7) See # 6

Hope that helped.

[Joseph Mallan]

DaZur, on 04 December 2014 - 09:54 AM, said:

I see it as unique categorization of the human essence...

Exactly. Business as usual!

[-Halcyon-]

MalodorousMonkey, on 03 December 2014 - 11:19 PM, said:

It was a design decision. They want heros to look different and special. Probably one of those F2P strats where you try to make the customer feel good for paying real money.

Were you not aware that you couldn't change the camo spec?

When I bought my first hero, no I had no idea.
I bought the Misery during the Black Friday hero sale and I knew I couldn't change that camo pattern either, but I finally decided to post the question because enough is enough.

When all heroes look exactly the same because the player can't change the camo pattern, there is nothing "special" about that. They just all look the same, aka not unique.

The developer really didn't think that thought process through.

Joseph Mallan, on 04 December 2014 - 05:38 AM, said:

Founders Mechs Are the same. You learn to accept it and worry about important things, like... Community Warfare, Game playability, Frame rates...

CW and playability fell into the same bin as UI 2.0. It's gone on so long it's a myth so all we have left to complain about is cosmetic items.

Joseph Mallan, on 04 December 2014 - 06:43 AM, said:

You paid $30 for Kai's Mech. It is famous cause it is Kai's Mech.

Steve McQueen's Mustang is Famous:

This one isn't

A collector will pay more for Steve's Stang because it's Steve's Stang. Changing the paint would ruin the value of it.

Ok but I'm not selling my hero mech. And I own the mech, so I should get to paint it the color and pattern I want?
What does the value of a car have anything to do with giving players more choice in customizing their mechs? This game is bare bones on content as it is.
The only saving grace it has right now is the mechbay.

DaZur, on 04 December 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

I just don't get this complaint... It's one thing to enter into a purchase agreement without knowing the limitations inherent in the Hero mechs and then feel that one's right have been violated. It's entirely another to know the terms of purchase then infer one has been disenfranchised.

A unique (and unchangeable) camo pattern is a known and documented limitation with Hero mechs and is accepted as terms of purchase.

I don't agree with the fact that we can't change patterns as well... That said, I don't believe I should be entitled to anything not inferred in the original terms of service.

Where did I say my rights were violated? Where did I say I was disenfranchised?
You're putting words in my mouth.

I'm pointing out that players who pay real money for an item they can't get from the F2P system should be able to customize it more then mechs that are from the F2P system.

I paid money to the company for a product and I have the right to complain about the product. If you buy dinner, and your request for a substitution is refused by the waiter, you have the right as a customer to voice your complaint that you're not satisfied with the service or the product.

[Lulz Kev]

Can't even change color on the ember hero mech.

[Brody319]

DTF Kev, on 04 December 2014 - 10:28 AM, said:

Can't even change color on the ember hero mech.

I can

[Timuroslav]

TKSax, on 04 December 2014 - 08:06 AM, said:

Just think about all those Gold mechs that where purchased that cannot be changed at all... gold forever...

I wish the Golden Boy was actually Gold >.>

[Joseph Mallan]

Timuroslav, on 04 December 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

I wish the Golden Boy was actually Gold >.>

I wish the Lyran Camo included Gold So I can have Royal Guard Mechs!

[Joseph Mallan]

Halcyon201, on 04 December 2014 - 10:24 AM, said:

When I bought my first hero, no I had no idea.
I bought the Misery during the Black Friday hero sale and I knew I couldn't change that camo pattern either, but I finally decided to post the question because enough is enough.

When all heroes look exactly the same because the player can't change the camo pattern, there is nothing "special" about that. They just all look the same, aka not unique.

The developer really didn't think that thought process through.



CW and playability fell into the same bin as UI 2.0. It's gone on so long it's a myth so all we have left to complain about is cosmetic items.



Ok but I'm not selling my hero mech. And I own the mech, so I should get to paint it the color and pattern I want?
What does the value of a car have anything to do with giving players more choice in customizing their mechs? This game is bare bones on content as it is.
The only saving grace it has right now is the mechbay.

No but you bought the Hero's Mech. The stipulation is you cannot chance the Camo Pattern. Just as I cannot change the Pattern on my Founders or my Gift Centurion and Atlas. It is what it is.

Accept it and move along, move along.

[Bishop Steiner]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 December 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

No but you bought the Hero's Mech. The stipulation is you cannot chance the Camo Pattern. Just as I cannot change the Pattern on my Founders or my Gift Centurion and Atlas. It is what it is.

Accept it and move along, move along.

jedi mind tricks only work on weak minds

good business model also counters it

[Burktross]

I don't want my money back, but I would like my Arrow to be... hmm... I don't know.
Not a purple sparkling "SHOOT ME PLEASE" target.

[DaZur]

Burktross, on 04 December 2014 - 12:12 PM, said:

I don't want my money back, but I would like my Arrow to be... hmm... I don't know.
Not a purple sparkling "SHOOT ME PLEASE" target.

As an aside...

I did a little experimenting and I found (quite unscientifically) that virtually all colors (well, of the ones I own) save the neon / high contrast colors had zero effect on being targeted. As one would suspect the gaudy neon type colors tended to attract a lot of attention... Even to a point where the enemy will shoot you even if you are standing next to a bigger / easier to hit target.

White surprisingly fell into the zero impact category...

[Myke Pantera]

Animus41, on 04 December 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

5) This one is just a knowledge fail on your part. a) you can use standard green for both primary and secondary colors on the YLW and it will look like every other standard Centurion out there and b)Everyone knows that you always shoot the right arm on a Centurion first.

I'll answer a) by quoting myself, and to make sure your reading skills don't let you down again, i'll highlight the most important part for you:

Myke Pantera, on 04 December 2014 - 12:34 AM, said:

5) You know its a YLW even if it's under ECM or you've locked something else. You don't need to move your crosshair over it or anything. If it appears somewhere on your screen you know it, unless it's mono-colored ofc. Since it's configuration options are somewhat limited, you know what you are facing in an instant.

And i'll answer B) by redirecting you to http://metamechs.com...-lists/is-list/ Search for the A variant.

8) If you bought the permanent patten unlock for a certain chassis (and we all know how expensive they are) you can't even put it on the hero variants.

To me heroes are just variants with different hardpoints and a CBill bonus. I don't care if its unique or which famous pilot used this config before. I play them for variety and extra CBills. You got a problem with that? Well that's too bad.

Edited by Myke Pantera, 04 December 2014 - 02:09 PM.

[-Halcyon-]

Joseph Mallan, on 04 December 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

No but you bought the Hero's Mech. The stipulation is you cannot chance the Camo Pattern. Just as I cannot change the Pattern on my Founders or my Gift Centurion and Atlas. It is what it is.

Accept it and move along, move along.

If we as customers never voiced any criticism to make their products better, then the game never gets better and we're stuck with things we're unhappy with.

I find your lack of faith in constructive criticism disturbing.

[Mystere]

Kdogg788, on 04 December 2014 - 06:15 AM, said:

Absolutely. The Founder's Catapult can barely be changed at all, but it's not like it matters as this mech is borderline useless in the current meta.

Special Request for PGI: Using all 4 Founder's mechs in a drop deck is not subject to weight restrictions. Please, pretty please.

[Mystere]

Hillslam, on 04 December 2014 - 06:39 AM, said:

Paying real money should mean you get more than the free.

Having the Hero skin as a SELECTABLE skin only available on the purchased mech would be best. But also allow the paid mech to do what the free mechs can do, aka allocate different camos.

And yes, we can and should keep asking if we want this feature included. It harms nobody.

(Not directed ay you)

I just don't understand people. They knew exactly what the deal was when they bought hero mechs. But now, some are going apeshit that PGI does not want to change said deal. And yet, when PGI changes some other deal, these same people go apeshit.

DaZur, on 04 December 2014 - 08:02 AM, said:

I just don't get this complaint... It's one thing to enter into a purchase agreement without knowing the limitations inherent in the Hero mechs and then feel that one's right have been violated. It's entirely another to know the terms of purchase then infer one has been disenfranchised.

A unique (and unchangeable) camo pattern is a known and documented limitation with Hero mechs and is accepted as terms of purchase.

I don't agree with the fact that we can't change patterns as well... That said, I don't believe I should be entitled to anything not inferred in the original terms of service.

Well said.

Edited by Mystere, 04 December 2014 - 08:07 PM.

[Mystere]

Bishop Steiner, on 04 December 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

It's an idea that's been kicking around sinc ethe YLW was released, actually.

At some point they gave some ground and allowed us to change dolors. Allowing people who want the Hero, but for "Reason XYZ" don't want to be locked into the camo, would actually boost sales on some, if not all models. And might even boost paint sales a bit.

As I noted, the "Package" ones won't happen because their unique geometry means the entire thing has to have the skins remapped. Won't happen, and end of the day, no biggie. Heroes though, are a simple thing since to the best of my knowledge, the geometry is not unique.

One thing is certain, PGI has been much more open to suggestions since the IGP divorce. 2 recent ones was me getting Russ to change the "prime" Zeus for the Resistance pack to the traditional 6S (and thus the ballistics arm) and small post with like 30 replies getting them to decide to remove the states in river city on the 12-16 patch.

It's probably a cost-benefit thing. As such, I'm sure if at least 1,000 player pledge to buy at least one Hero mech and do so by forking the appropriate funds, PGI will give in.

Bishop Steiner, on 04 December 2014 - 08:21 AM, said:

So if we don't ask, it definitely won't happen. By asking, the worst that can happen is they say no.

The worst that can happen is dozens of threads with hundreds of pages of posts stating how PGI is the Devil's incarnate and that people will rage quit if their demands are not met nao. It happens many times whenever PGI says "No" to something.

Edited by Mystere, 04 December 2014 - 08:19 PM.